AKo 200bb - allin pre?
Saw the thread from Koko
Had 2 similar hands that i was in a blunder about
Hand 1: 1k stack 2/5
Folds to cutoff opens 20 action player very loose
I 3bet to 70 btn with Ako, ive been calm maybe 3betting more than the table in general
Folds to bb who snap 4bets to 300, he covers me, 50 yo wg, havent seen him get out of line. He opens but seems to usually take the passive line when facing agression.
Cutoff folds
Hero??
Hand 2: 1k 2/5
Utg rec limps, hj good player raises to 25, co fish flats, i 3bet to 105 btn with AKo
Bb euro 4bets to 300, first time i play with him, he hasn’t played a hand in 40 mins but i think he’s just cardead
Folds to hero?
Cold 4bets are so rare at 2/5, i think if this was 5/10 they’d be easy get ins but at 2/5 do we go for the exploit fold?
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I'm curious why you're making such large 3-bets when you're on the BTN?
I fold both
Fold hand 1.
Probably fold hand 2. I don't think "Euro" immediately means hyper agro/capable. It's probably already going to be a fold at equilibrium. Although what exactly is equilibrium when there is a limp, iso, cold call, 3bet, cold 4 is questionable.
Once we see V cold 4 with a hand that isn't JJ+ and AK, then getting it in is definitely on the table. Keep in mind, even then that is more as an exploit. We may be folding at equilibrium, so I don't think our fold is exploitable.
Hand 1- given what you know about the 4 bettor, can you deduce enough to know he has QQ/JJ/AK here? We block aces and kings and the 4 bet is large enough that it is less likely to be aces or kings. Can we deduce anything from his sizing here?
I'm calling IP with AK here readless and shoving if I think there is a decent chance the sizing helps with hand reading and there is any chance of folding out those hands.
1. I would just fold, but that's just me. Most people would feel too nitty or wouldn't wanna get pushed around with AK, but I would snap fold quick vs a passive guy who never gets out of line and just cold 4bet to 300 which is 5x the 3bet, in 2/5, and from OOP.
2. It really depends on his read. Euro isn't a read, it's like saying he has brown eyes. If he's legit tight I would fold.
Sizing on both is fine.
In both cases you want a smidgen of fold equity if you're going to jam. For both they're probably close but you can't go wrong with folding both. As you say at a higher level you'd definitely want to get involved. You can't assume either a passive player or a card-dead tighter player are going to show up often with A5s here. Jamming is rarely a bad play with AK in pretty much any situation, but you're probably marginally better off folding both of these.
I saw a cold 5-bet today at a 2/5 table that was QQ, but it was another difficult table with good players.
Hand 1 I think QQ is probably the worst hand he does this with. You're flipping at best and I don't think you have any FE. I probably fold this against most villains.
Hand 2 is closer although if it's really the first hand he's played in 40 minutes I lean slightly towards folding. I would probably need better reads than just "euro" to want to get it in.
I also think the sizing in both hands is standard.
I fold both and shrug it off as an unlucky permutation relative all the better ways that hand plays out.
General heuristic: until proven otherwise, a passive’s
- 3bet at 1/3
- 4bet at 2/5
- 5bet at 5/10
is probably nutted enough to crush AK in an all-in scenario.
