A9s OOP vs unknown, too light?

This should be a fold preflop, although I can't find a setting in GTO-W for "third player called out of turn." 😀

I assume it's a fold even if the third player still calls, since we're left with an ace with a meh kicker, OOP to two players.

I mean, the guy just sat down and straddled, then 3bet. He's either really strong pre or a gambler, and since the other V called out of turn, calling the $60 is fine. Flop is fine too. Max pressure -- I like it.

I feel like (in my confidence admittedly) playing too many hands OOP, calling 3-bets as well and using Vs weird sizing as an excuse. Sometimes they dont 3-bet hands as strong as QQ or KK so I'm OOP with hands like A9s, KJs, 88 in a SRP thinking I'm huge when I flop top pair but then get wrecked value owning myself.

Not sure if this hand is an example of that.

I don't hate pre, but I probably just call the straddle. After the station calls out of turn, I think calling the 3b is OK

On the flop the question is call or jam.

The challenge with Jam is that its a semi bluff, and for a semi-bluff to work, we need to fold out some hands we are behind, and given a typical 3b range at low stakes and this board, only AK may get folded by a tyoical low stakes player (and there's a chance he calls with that too (and we're probably pretty even equity with that anyway).

I think I lean slightly towards call here, and let the calling station come along.

Result:

Pre is a bit loose as I should have some folds. Vs kk on flop you are close to flipping so whatever and have pot odds

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Yeah, you are 46% against KK when the money went in. In worse shape against AA or QQ than KK.

Calling and folding the turn unimproved may be better, because an unknown at 1/3 likely has a 3-betting range of If you thought his 3! range was really tight, like KK+ or JJ+/AK. If he had a reasonable 3! range with bluffs, then I would shove the flop as occurred.

Preflop, I would fold UTG with straddle and as played would fold to the 3!. I don't like limping in ep with this hand, as someone suggested. Preflop is loose, as others have said, but not terrible.

FWIW, I would always sit at the stack size I want to sit with. So no excuses for sitting on $350 when we initially wanted to sit with $400, imo.

I would fold the first time preflop (I would limp in with ATs, it is my line-in-the-sand spot). Seems like a trivial fold OOP to the 3bet at these stacks even with the overlay, imo.

On this board that crushes a 3bet range, getting an awesome price, and being cool with inviting the fish along, I think I'd lean to just flatting. Never horrible jamming with this huge dead money and our equity, but I'd prefer to do it on a board that is much less likely to have hit the 3better. Actually, now realizing the SPR is lol 1.5 (lol @ preflop, imo) a shove is certainly fine.

ETA: Preflop is a lot worse than people are making it out to be; getting in almost 20% of stacks with Axs OOP to a default 3bet range to a lol SPR of 1.5 is a hugenormous leak, imo.

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He 3bet pre so I wouldn't think he have much FE otf, but we could see a turn for 50 bucks and he's not likely folding to a jam since I would think he has an over pair (until I learn otherwise that he 3bets wider than average).

PRE - probably too wide to open in theory, but also probably fine in live low stakes. Calling when station acts out of turn seems fine.

FLOP - I dunno. I guess it's okay to check-jam. But if we flat call, maybe the station comes along. If we're planning to just go with our hand, I might actually donk here, for around $50 or $60, hoping the station calls, and then shove if BTN raises.

It depends on what we're trying to accomplish. The check raise is going to generate more fold equity than the donk lead. If we want folds, go for the check raise. If we want calls, or raises, go for the donk.

I guess in my gut I prefer to take control of the pot by donking small, and barreling across a lot of turns when we make our hand or pick up additional outs, and checking when we make top pair. Alternatively we can just check-call when our opponent bets a size we'd have bet if we donked, and look to donk or check raise turn.

This seems like a spot where V is only folding his bluffs, and calling with all his value.

Fold pre AINEC.

I wouldn’t expect to get a lot of folds from standard 3bing ranges on this flop. Obviously you can’t go wrong GIIing OTF with NFD at 1.5 SPR, but I don’t think this is optimal.

Is this some garbage midwest game? You're playing 60 BB deep. That makes A( in what is effectively middle position in a straddled post (where people like to raise to just steal) even worse odds than it would be otherwise. Easy fold preflop