1-3 AKh UTG
9 players effective stack 450
Villain: In his 30s, I think I’ve seen him before but he doesn’t play much.
Hero: AKh utg
Hero raises to 15.
Utg+2 calls
Button: calls (49)
Flop: 7sKs5h
Hero: bet 30
Utg+2: calls
Button: folds (109)
Turn: 7sKs5h3h
Hero: bets 50
Utg+2: shoves for 405
Hero:?
23 Replies
I would just fold. The bdfd's enticing, but he's most likely protecting something from both flushes (assuming we know nothing about him).
When you say AKh, do you mean it's AKo with the King of hearts, or AK both hearts?
I'd limp in. If raising, at this stack depth I'm guessing smaller might be better (to create more chance of inducing a light 3bet, create a higher SPR, etc.).
SPR is about 9 and we have one pear, so definitely not looking to play for stacks. Against straightforward ABC face-up passive calling station fish I'd probably lean to some bet/folding. Against more difficult / aware / etc. players I might put in a sneaky check OOP somewhere.
So against ABC players I'm ok with our line and I now make the trivial fold. If there is any question what do to here against this guy then we should be playing far more passive/underrepped/inducing and making sure we get to showdown for a reasonable price, imo.
ETA: If we actually have AKhh (i.e. a flush draw on the turn) then much less reason for betting the turn (as we're much less vulnerable and getting blown off our nut draw, like we are here, is a disaster).
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I'd limp in. If raising, at this stack depth I'm guessing smaller might be better (to create more chance of inducing a light 3bet, create a higher SPR, etc.).
SPR is about 9 and we have one pear, so definitely not looking to play for stacks. Against straightforward ABC face-up passive calling station fish I'd probably lean to some bet/folding. Against more difficult / aware / etc. players I might put in a sneaky check OOP somewhere.
So against ABC players I'm ok with our line and I now make the
I had AKhh.
Interesting, are you thinking that if we check the turn he is likely not going to shove because he won’t think we are on a flush draw despite there being 2 draws on the board?
Obviously it's an annoying spot, but I don't think I'd ever fold here.
BWT
Don't limp in regardless of what anyone says. It's awful. Just watch the Doug Polk poker hands videos where he takes the piss out of everyone limping ak.
Turn is a great card to check. Problem with the bet is you can get blasted off your equity.
You have to defend the shove about 35 to 40 pc of the time. Let's say you have 77 kk ak aa here only. It's going to be a sigh fold but you probably call if was a psb.
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I’m just curios, are you a winning player in the games you play? If so are you a crusher or somewhere in between?
I’m not trying to offend, I’m just wondering if a player that wouldn’t fold there would be winning or not in the long run.
I’m not sure what BWT means.
What do you mean by that?
Don't limp in regardless of what anyone says. It's awful. Just watch the Doug Polk poker hands videos where he takes the piss out of everyone limping ak.
Turn is a great card to check. Problem with the bet is you can get blasted off your equity.
You have to defend the shove about 35 to 40 pc of the time. Let's say you have 77 kk ak aa here only. It's going to be a sigh fold but you probably call if was a psb.
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I’m confused by what you wrote.
You said you have to defend the shove 35 to 40 percent of the time. Then later you said it’s going to be a sigh fold.
When you say you have 77 kk ak aa only, are you referring to what we the hero have in our hand or what we think villains range is?
Baluga whale theorem.
Andrew was a coach who posted on here under balugawhale. His theorem in general says if you're holding a one pair hand and you get raised on the turn we should fold. Not that I would follow it 100% but it seems to be applicable here.
PRE - looks fine.
FLOP - I probably check to let my opponents stab, rather than c-bet. If we're going to c-bet, $30 into $49 is too much. It should be $15-$20, tops.
TURN - I actually don't mind the barrel when we pick up the BDFD to go with our TPTK, but I think I'd bet bigger, like full pot. When V shoves for 3x pot, it's pretty gross.
Hard to think our 1P is any good. I assume we have no more than 9 outs, but maybe not event that many, against 77. Might only be 8 outs. Think we just have to fold here.
Hmmm. That is a really tough one. It's probably a fold, but I really want to call. I'd need to be at the table to get some type of read to make the call, though, so I guess just fold.
Interesting, are you thinking that if we check the turn he is likely not going to shove because he won’t think we are on a flush draw despite there being 2 draws on the board?
Yaeh, most people aren't going to shove 4x pot here, especially against perceived weakness.
Basically, with AKo we're a lot cooler with bet/folding the turn because our hand does need protection and we're almost always beat plus have very little chance (if any) of improving to the winning hand. Not so much with AKhh, as our hand doesn't need as much protection and it's never a good thing to have to be forced to fold a hand that is drawing to a monster. Doesn't make betting with AKhh here (nor checking with AKo) horrible at all, but it is something to keep in mind. Reads might sway us one way or another.
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I’m not sure what BWT means.
What do you mean by that?
I’m confused by what you wrote.
You said you have to defend the shove 35 to 40 percent of the time. Then later you said it’s going to be a sigh fold.
When you say you have 77 kk ak aa only, are you referring to what we the hero have in our hand or what we think villains range is?
Sorry that was the hero s range. If someone bets X into a pot of 1 you need to defend at a frequency of 1/(1+x) by the minimax theorem. If you defend less often he can just bet with his entire range and print.
So if your range is AA ak 77 kk you have 12 better hands out of 24 and you can just fold ak. If he bet only the pot then you need to call half the time. Given you have the bdnfd it's then a clear call. Here he raised like 1.75x pot after accounting for the matching of your bet
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And yeah turn you should check hh and probably check with one spade or one heart. You can definitely check AsKh as you block his draws. If you have no spade no heart you definitely bet.
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Don't limp in regardless of what anyone says. It's awful. Just watch the Doug Polk poker hands videos where he takes the piss out of everyone limping ak.
Turn is a great card to check. Problem with the bet is you can get blasted off your equity.
You have to defend the shove about 35 to 40 pc of the time. Let's say you have 77 kk ak aa here only. It's going to be a sigh fold but you probably call if was a psb.
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If we are trying to play exploitative, we don't have to defend any % if we beat no value and they aren't bluffing.
Need more description of villain. Hand histories? 3b tendencies? Bluff tendencies?
I would go smaller on the flop and larger on the turn. Also it is fine to check call the flop too and let villain's hand strength reveal itself. Marc Goone pushes this idea a lot in his videos and I think he is generally right. Recreational players play very poorly and imbalanced when checked too. One sizing he may use might only be for sets on this board when you check to him on the flop. He may have different sizes for Kx, weaker pair protection bets, and bluffs / draws (of he bets these ever). A tougher player might only use 1 size on the flop making it hard to read his range. In the best case, if you check and he is very imbalanced, it is like having him turn his cards face up.
Whether or not we call turn as played is dependent on hand histories. It's not out of the question that a random guy might have AK himself, KQ, or maybe some type of draw. But I think vs a lot of players, they are never value betting worse and never bluffing, in which case we don't have equity to call.
I’m just curios, are you a winning player in the games you play? If so are you a crusher or somewhere in between?
I’m not trying to offend, I’m just wondering if a player that wouldn’t fold there would be winning or not in the long run.
Yes, I am. $48/hr at 2/3 and 3/5 around 700 hours.
I think most people would raise this flop with a value because they "Put you on AK" and there's a FD. 2 pair is very unlikely given pre flop action. That leaves very few value combos and a good amount of draws that might think your small turn bet looks weak and want to try and take it down now. Not to mention the random KQ they decide to stick it in with. Plus you have at least 8 outs vs any value hands that are beating you.
Its borderlineish, but i think its a fold. Turn raises are just so often the nuts, and so are big sizings.
He will show up with 7h6h type hands some too but i dont think enough to call, but maybe.
starting to thinking checking flop with 100% of our range when OOP vs 2+ players should be the default play.
starting to thinking checking flop with 100% of our range when OOP vs 2+ players should be the default play.
Reveal is, I should have folded but I got lucky on the river.
I call, Villain had set of 7s, I hit a heart on the river and stacked him.
You're allowed to get lucky.