Frisky with 77
1/3 NLHE 9 handed.
My first hand at the table I was dealt red 77 and opened UTG, hit on AsKx7s and drilled some guy for about 200$ with AQo. This is the next hand. BB. 600$.
V - Old asian woman has about 600 as well. I don't remember her style of play but I've seen her once or twice. I know she's bad/losing.
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Folds to V in CO who opens 15, folds to H who sees 7♠ 7♣ and calls. HU OOP.
Flop 30 - Q♣ T♦ 4♥
Check, V bets 15 kind of casually, H calls.
Turn 60 - T♠
Check, V bets 25, H raises to 100....
13 Replies
I don't think you're behind but why raise. Qx Tx over-pairs and open enders are never folding to this size.
Go home Banana, you're drunk.
I think on the flop I might just x/f vs better/more aggro players as they can easily barrel this board with plenty of straight draws. Vs more passive - make a call. As played I guess you're assuming she doesn't bet her Tx on the flop and you can easily have Tx - my only concern is when she has Qx+ is she going to fold to the raise and river bet. You really need her folding AQ/KQ almost everytime here to make this work as sometimes she has Tx+ and I doubt KK/AA folds. I like your thought process but I think at 1/3 you might be better just folding.
just fold the flop. this board is horrible for you. the fact that you are facing a CO raise makes it even worse because villain will have a ton of Qx and Tx.
as played, against this transparent bet sizing, turn CR is probably good vs population if you have a nit image. id just give up if i got called though.
im interested to know what developed. did you get called?
Just fold flop Vs this sizing
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Hands like that are hard to play when you miss. You don't make many draws with a pp. Two broadway cards is a bad flop, so fold the flop even though you may be ahead.
I like it, wp.
Fold to further aggression, of course, and you'll probably have to put it all in OTR.
I can get behind preflop. Never in love with going HU OOP to the aggressor, but I think our hand is just big enough / we're getting a discount / she's bad that this is ok.
I'm folding the flop. If we're not folding the flop we should probably be folding preflop, imo. If we're not already destroyed she at the very least often has big equity (such as overs + gutshot), in position to boot, and that isn't a good "best case scenario" to be in.
And I fold again on the turn. In general, I typically don't try to get anyone labelled as bad / losing to fold just cuz a non TP card paired.
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I'm fine with it if your recollection is that she has a fold button. If not, we do have showdown value and could boat up, so flatting is not terrible.
I think raising to $75 would accomplish the same but save us $25 when we own ourselves.
SB - my problem with this starts with your read. You know she's bad / losing how? You've seen her lose, repeatedly? Okay, but if so, it would help to know WHY she's a losing player.
Like, maybe she's a losing player because she can't fold any decent sized pair to a raise, or she's super-nitty and only bets with the nuts. If that's why she's a losing player, your play here is just torching.
I think flatting pre with all our small and middling PP's is fine. But we're just flatting to set-mine. Her range is probably dominated by higher PP's and Broadway combos. When the flop comes with 2 overs, and we don't have a set, we're just check-folding.
If you're going to make this play, I think it works better if you just donk turn when the middle card pairs, rather than check-raise. But even then, it works best if V has bluffs in her range, and weak value, and has a fold button, and our table image isn't craptastic.
Even if this gets through on the turn, or you barrel river and it gets through then, it's just so unnecessary. Like, you could actually have enough Tx in your range to make this play for value at some frequency. We don't need to do this with a middling pair that has some modest showdown value.
Old Asian women don't drive to the casino to fold TP+ after opening for a raise, just because some aggro dude raises her.
Result:
Flop calling or folding is both fine imo, turn if you are going to make this play id rather do it with equity vs value. You are kinda getting super exploitable here where if they ever bet small with a good hand you are overbluffing. I could see them betting AA like this on the turn, and I wouldnt want to try and make them fold that
Not the best board for you, but I think c/r the flop would be better. Villian is definitely folding 88,99 Tx or even JJ if they're nittier.