QQ's in a large family pot.
1/3. This is my first orbit. The first few hands were 4-5 to the flop with all limps. Everyone has at least 200. I have 300.
Everyone limps to me in the BB, I raise to 21 and everyone calls. I have QdQc.
(168) JcTs8..SB checks, What should I do?
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Sounds like 8 handed so I would have went a little larger pre. I also hate random raise amount so I’d rather just do $25 than $21 or $22.
As dumb as it sounds, you can’t really fold here and given psr, I’d just stick in it
Easy check. Don’t want to build a pot and don’t want to fold your equity. So check and see what develops.
EDIT: just noticed the SPR after reading NFS’s post. Yeah…. I guess just rip it and see what happens. Hand seems good PF.
id start by checking. then see what happens. vs. a bet and raise, easy muck. vs a single bet and call, probably just GII.
half the deck is bad for us on the turn. if we shove we're getting called by pair plus straight draws that we're ahead of and hands like KJ a lot, it's profitable.
Bigger pre -- especially since we are OOP. As played, just bet/gii, but I bet we see TJ or possibly T8. We have outs, though, and they will call w/ worse 😉
Against this many limps and OOP I wouldn't be going less than $30 (and maybe even $40) preflop. Could even argue for a tricky shove. Note that no one really made much of a mistake preflop with almost anything (at least against us, in position to boot) as everyone got fairly decent IO of ~20+:1.
Everything we do postflop sucks now. Checking and possibly giving a free card in a massive pot sucks. Betting and easily running into better (as so many hands got there) for stacks sucks. I think (?) the least suckiest route is to check / evaluate / soulread and simply make a hero fold if we read we're toast versus getting it in if we read we're best.
ETA: Also depends on how clueless your opponents are. If they somehow read you as bluffing when you shove into eleventeen opponents (hint: exactly no one in your room is this bad) / will gambool with TP (ok, that can be a thing), then whatever I guess.
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Preflop go to 40 assuming this is a full table. What did you expect to happen with a 7x raise over ALL the limpers?
Not much to do other than rip it now.
As others said, bigger pre.
If it's 9 handed at 1-3 there's $27 in the pot when it gets to you ... so min. would be 2x pot ($54) and you could easily argue 2.5x/3x/3.5x is better given nobody likes to fold and you are OOP. The only problem is how tiny the SPR will be with even a single caller.
On the flop we are in a bad spot, open shove is whatever (your hand is kind of face up, but you can still get called by worse either with draws or they always think you have AK).
J high is pretty bad and I'd be checking a lot when deeper. Someone will bet anything that calls a shove, and probably wider.
If you check and it goes bet+raise you are again in a bad spot where fold/shove is meh, but at least you have more information so can maybe fold correctly more than not.
Only real concern is it checking around and A,K,T,8,7 (AIUI there's no FD).
This was a hand that I played on APT(Advanced Poker Training). I am basically new to NL so I figured I give this a shot for a month. The advisor button suggested the 21 dollar raise pre. I thought it should have been a much higher raise. It seems the advice on this program is out of whack. Has anybody tried this program?
