JJ 3-bet pot OOP good flop?

Stack sizes are important here

I meant to include that!
V just bought in for the max of $800, that’s the effective stack.

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It's ok, it happens.

I don't think he has any sets when flatting a big 3bet pre with those stacks, so I think he has an over pair, probably QQ (or even a slow played KK that he flatted IP).

The laptop would be a deal sealer for me, these guy's don't usually get out of line or raise light IME with them. Unless I saw something else if I was there, I'd probably just fold our upper med PP, but that's just me (I don't think it's a big mistake not to).

flop is too big, bet smaller or check. against an unknown id check knowing most players stab with any pair here and maybe wheel draws. so you get more information by checking than betting. its also good to establish an early image that your flop checks do not necessarily indicate extreme weakness.

as played id just fold until i got a read that this raise could be less than a set.

Is the laptop like he's doing something else?

My general take is that when people are distracted, e.g. eating food, they tend to play straightforward.

I think I make a nitty fold.

I don’t know, he just sat down and he was across the table. It looked like something serious such as work or study, not a movie or YouTube.

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Ok, that reinforces my take on being distracted and therefore unlikely to be running some big bluff.

I'm fine with pre and flop, but I fold now. At worst he has AK, which would be impressive.

+1. I would add: looking at their cell phone, watching the football game, talking to a friend, checking their email. People don't think about bluffing here. They stop what they are doing only if they have good cards.

V had QQ.

pretty bad raise OTF with QQ. although if he had QQ that means your call is good because this guy probably raises 99-TT too.

It's not just you but a lotta players in general give other players too much credit like they're supposed to play every hand a certain way like in baseball or football where everyone uses the same strategy. He raised becasue all the over cards are in hero's range, so he's fine with shutting it down now rather than taking that chance and flat (if I was the villain I'd be thinking about getting the rest of hero's money in the pot since I'm making like an 80% return on every dollar that hero bets (not a bad investment, you can't find a bet like that anywhere in the casino or even irl hardly).

I always have a set when I raise while I am eating.

Laptop guy probably has us beat most of the time.

Laptop open, but he's paying attention to the game more than his computer, or he's not really paying attention to the game? If it's the latter, he's probably not raising too wide or calling a 3B too light.

I'd prefer a larger 3B size from OOP. At least $120, but might even go $150. The problem with your sizing is you're giving him a good price to flat and see a flop IP.

I'd just check range from OOP when HU. Let V stab at it, and either check raise if he bets small or check call if he bets large. Delay c-bet turn if he checks back flop.

As played, it's a gross spot. But it's weird for him to be blasting off on this board, where there are really aren't many draws in either player's range. He appears to be repping a set, but I suppose he could have some straight draws, with A5, 76s or 75s.

I probably call, and look to play some turns. I'd be leery of any card that brings in one of those straight combos, and hoping for disconnected over cards that could conceivably make us top set. Probably check-folding most turns if he barrels, unless he bets pretty small.

V really hadn't been at the game very long. Arrived around 10am on Veterans Day Monday. He was a thin pale white guy, with glasses, kinda looked smart, had a lightweight hoodie on. Maybe had played only an orbit or two. Wasn't engrossed in his laptop, but had it open. Seemed to be paying attention to the game.

I didn't feel like he had a set. In the moment I failed to consider that he could have an overpair that beat mine. I was 5hrs into my session, so a bit fatigued and not playing great that morning. And I was on a cold streak of close to 20 hrs over my last several sessions, so that might have affected my judgment as well. I typically play even worse when I get into cold streaks, so there is the consolation that I haven't been as bad lately as I have been in the past.

Embarassed to say I shoved over his flop raise. He called pretty quickly.

An Ace hit the turn, so if I would have just called his flop raise, he might have slowed down and/or I could have gotten away from that hand then.

You want to check flop

Should I be checking the flop on all boards?
Because I’m OOP and need to play defensively?

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i think a good default strat is

check all boards that look like they shouldnt hit you when you are OOP.

cbet Ace and king-high boards whether they hit you or not most (but not all) of the time. like 75%.

Q high boards like 50%.

as an adjustment vs passive players who protect their flop checkback range and never stab, cbet more

I range bet 1/3ps flop vs unknown and fold to the raise.

With your BB 3bet range you should have a range advantage on this flop, and should just bet 100% to keep things simple.

If you don't feel comfortable with betting 100% you still should bet a lot (60%-80%) including JJ because it's a vulnerable 1pair hand.

Check AA and maybe to some degree KK to protect your give up range.

You should check out the videos from Hungry Horse poker on YT. He recommends checking range when OOP as the PFR, because opponents stab too much, telegraph their hand strength with their bet sizes, and don't protect their check-back range by checking back strong hands.

Agree or disagree with that reasoning, there's a lot to be said for negating our positional disadvantage by checking flop. We can debate when it makes more sense and when it makes less. Like, maybe we should c-bet more when we 3B or 4B pre than when it's just a SRP, or c-bet more when the flop is much better for our range than our opponent's.

Marc's (from Hungry Horse) take is that a simplified strat executed well is going to out-perform a mixed strat executed haphazardly. So, if we're good at using a mixed strat, fine, check some and c-bet some. But if you're not overly sure what to do, it's probably better to just have a default strat of range checking.

So, here, if we check flop, and V bets small, we'd probably check-raise. Without knowing V's bet size, I'd say our check-raise frequency is going to be higher the smaller his bet size is, and vice-versa. If V bets big, we'd probably just check-call, and proceed with caution.

Let's say V bets 1/2 pot on flop, and we call. Then he checks back on the ace turn, or bets again. We can decide what we want to do based on his turn bet sizing. If he bets small, maybe we turn our hand into a bluff and check-raise. If he bets big, we probably just fold. If he checks back, we're probably just check-calling a small river bet.

So, yes, we could look at it as playing defensively. But we could also say it's playing exploitatively against the population, which tends to make more mistakes when we check flop than when we c-bet.