Folded AKs pre at 400 BBs
1/3 NLHE 8 handed
Table is full of loose passive players with varying smaller tendencies.
V1 - loose passive who ran deep and now covers the table with over 2k. He's pretty sticky postflop, his betting range is usually 2-pair+ multiway. HU he'll bet top pair or better. HJ. Covers.
V2 - loose passive station that is losing and just rebought and already lost half his rebuy. He's tilting. 215$. CO.
Hero OTB with 1250$.
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Folds to V1 who limps 3, V2 to 16, Hero to 50 with A♥ K♥, folds to V1 who minclicks to 100, V2 4-bet shoves 215 but doesn't seem to like it (my read was this can be hands like QTs, JTs, 77), Hero tank calls the 215, V1 5-bet shoves for hero's remaining 1kish, Hero folds.
Thoughts?
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I mean yeah the limp-reraise-reraise isn't exactly subtle...there might be a good case that facing a limp-reraise (4bet) and a 5bet shove, you could well have folded the first time round. But certainly folding the second time.
If you folded preflop, it was a good fold.
Rare to see the limp-RR from later positions. But it's almost always a very strong hand, barring any one-off reads or tells which might lead to someone trying it as a bluff.
I'd think it's almost never a bluff when the pot has been raised and 3B before action gets back to the limper. A min-click limp-4B in front of a short stacked opener seems especially unlikely to be a bluff.
So we've got a limp, a 5x raise from a short stack, a 3B to 3x, a min-click limp-4B, then a 5B jam that re-opens the betting.
Yeah, I wouldn't be loving it when action gets back to us. I'd probably find the fold rather than call off the $215. If I thought HJ was out of line, I might 6B re-jam to fold out some QQ/AK. But mostly I'm just folding AK here, not calling off the $215 when the betting has been re-opened and HJ can raise again.
V2 is not that important here. I don’t like calling the jam, I think we should fold or 5b and given this action by V1 I think we should fold.
I'd be out of there facing the $215. It's not so much that player shoving but that there was the LRR and the action is reopened for them.
It's almost always a GG move with a big pair...they could easily find a fold with a medium strength hand having invested only $3 but the choice to minclick is asking for action.
we should always be expecting the jam from V1 here so if we elect to flat it should be as a trap.
After the short stack jammed, I would just fold since V1 just l/4bet (a l/rr is strong enough as it is but he l/4bet). If we flat and he jams it would suck to have to fold 70 bb's preflop. I'd only be flatting if I was planning to call him off if he jams.
i kind of think you should fold to the 215 when i actually look at the hh.
so yeah you have v2 smoked here equity wise, but the issue is when you flat a large amount of that ev gets split with v1 too as he is never going to fold for 115 more, and because you don't ever actually take down the pot preflop (v2 is all in) i dont know that isoing is going to be inherently profitable given what u have to risk into what should be a fairly / very strong range from v1. also v1 is uncapped and this is going to happen some % of the time when u just call the 215. i think the stacks of both people just turn this into a really meh situation for u
Yeah fold to the 215. Absolute disaster because of the limp reraiser and the fact that action is opened up.
I also think it's a good fold after the short stack shove, unless you have reads on V1 going wild preflop.
The problem is that people don't understand that your call should still be strong, so ripping QQ/JJ isn't great after you call ... but because they don't understand it they'll decide QQ and often JJ is a great shove here and they'll be more aggressive which makes hands like yours become very annoying calls (even though it's probably a GTO call).
Also, assuming this is a good read, think of what that does to V1's range. Like you really want V1 to have QQ/JJ/TT, but your range for V2 is blocking all of those hands.
Ahh crap I wondered in hindsight if I could have folded to the 215...
Result:
Yeah, fold to the 215 with the min-limp-4bet and shove. Doesn't surprise me that the limp/4-bettor had AA or that the shove for 215 wasn't a big hand. Neither really good play, but typical plays. Without other reads, villain V1 has AA/KK almost always.
We don't know that V2 didn't have a big hand, only that his hand couldn't beat the nut flush