Kinda wanna raise but kinda don't
1/3 NLHE 9 handed
V1 - loose passive fish, fof post. 300$. BB.
V2 - old asian loose passive woman, betting range is usually very premium. Plays face up. check calls draws, leads made hands, doesnt try to trap or slowplay just plays her hand (but is LP and calls a ton). 500$ MP.
V3 - Unknown mawg has been on a heater and is very very loose passive and sticky post. RFI'd once in 3 hours and it was AA for 25$ cold. VPIP about 50% and has no clue. Keeps asking what the raise amount was before limp calling. The kind of guy that will limp, call a raise, call a 3-bet and then check call 95% of his continuing range OTF. Betting range is quite strong but not as nutted as V2's. Covers. LJ.
Hero is BTN with 500$.
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V2 limps, V3 limps, Hero sees T♣ 9♣ and opens 15, V1 V2 and V3 call. 4 ways IP.
Flop 60 - K♣ 9♦ 3♣
V1 checks, V2 bets 30 (this is a modest K at minimum and never a flush draw), V3 calls, H thinks and calls (?), V1 folds.
Turn 150 - Q♥
V2 checks, V3 now bets out 50, H thinks again and decides ....?
13 Replies
Thinking the turn is anything but a "call" means it time for you to go to bed.
Worst case scenario here is we're up against a stronger hand and a bettter draw.
It would be kind of amazing if a raise folds out Kx and better flush draws. If we raise and get V2 to fold, but V3 calls, that's not bad, since we're probably ahead of a lot of V3's range. The problem is what happens when V3 has 2P+ and we miss our flush.
I could see min-clicking it here, hoping to fold out V2 and have V3 flat, then check to us on the river. If V3 re-raises, I'm done with it. If he flats and the river bricks, I'm probably just checking back. If we raise and they both call, I'm only betting the river if we make our flush and they both check to us.
Never raising this turn. Just call and see a river.
Clear call since we don’t have a lot of fold equity against V2s strong range.
I think I would just overlimp preflop since we likely have no FE at any point. Although a case to be made for simply juicing the pot in position against these guys in order to setup an eventual play for stacks I suppose.
With probably no FE and perhaps up against a premium, I'm fine with just flatting the flop.
Ditto thinking for the turn. While V2 probably doesn't have a premium at this point, V3 is in the hand and is never going to fold, so I just take my good odds in position, attempt to make a better hand, and get paid off when I do.
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I call
pre is bad
turn is obv call
you dont open this wide nitty?
none of these players seem like the type where you'll have legitimate fold equity and i hate these ****ings spots because i run like dog **** and so i can only win when people fold BUT this is a clear call on the turn and hope you smash the river.
V2 likely has a weak Kx, V3's lead on the turn now suggests something like turned two pair, certainly has JT in their range too.
meh, i hate tables like this because the strategy is: hit the big hands and put the money in so you get into spots like this where math says call and river bricks out 2h and you're left wondering if you should have folded or tried to get them to fold somewhere.
I have such a hard time trying to NOT take a line that necessitates fold equity from villains like this who connect wide and weak with boards but somehow find ways to talk themselves into calling it off even though a shove still represents a **** ton of value hands that has them crushed.
Anyway, i dont think raising turn does anything for you because you can still shove river even if its an overbet when you hit and they're decision to call a big bet most likely has nothing to do with whether its less than a PSB or greater than one so the effectiveness of the action when you hit gin is the same.
none of these players seem like the type where you'll have legitimate fold equity and i hate these ****ings spots because i run like dog **** and so i can only win when people fold BUT this is a clear call on the turn and hope you smash the river.
V2 likely has a weak Kx, V3's lead on the turn now suggests something like turned two pair, certainly has JT in their range too.
meh, i hate tables like this because the strategy is: hit the big hands and put the money in so you get into spots like th
Result:
Spoiler
I call turn, V2 calls. 3 ways to a brick river like a 2♠, checks through and V3 has KQo, V2 mucks presumably with KT or KJ.
