River spot with AQo
Home game, 5/10, $20 straddle has been on all night.
V is tag middle aged guy, solid but straightforward player. In a previous hand he opened LJ and got 2 cold calls, and Hero 3bet AQo in the BB and V folded AJs. Most of the rest of the table puts money in in that spot, so I’d say he’s on the tighter end of the spectrum for a loose home game.
Hero has an active image, I put a $200 double straddle and a $320 quintuple straddle early in the game and have been raising a fair bit.
OTTH: 5/10/20, $4000 effective
V opens LJ $80, folds to hero in straddle, hero calls with AQo.
Flop: Qs9h8d ($195)
Hero checks, V bets $150, Hero calls.
Turn: Qs9h8d6d ($495)
Hero checks, V checks.
River: Qs9h8d6d3h ($495)
Hero?
I ended up betting $350 or about 3/4 pot, thinking that villain’s range really looks like a weak Q or TT/JJ type hand, and the large bet looks like a bluff targeting V’s capped range.
Results: Villain snap called with KK.
Surprised he checked back on the turn. He said he thought my range was weak and couldn’t call a turn bet (not sure about this, I could easily have many pair plus gutter hands that def would call a bet).
Seems that V is playing a bit tight when he checks back t
We apparently think a lot alike, given that I was ranging him the same way, and would have bet the same amount, if I was to bet (I think check-calling would be marginally better here, against most V's, and probably especially this V).
Hard to put him on AA/KK when he checks back the turn. But if we look at it from his perspective, and think like a TAG/ABC player, when we flat call pre in the straddle, we could have all sorts of nutted hands on this board. I can understand him playing pot control after we check-call his big flop c-bet.
I don't buy his story that he thought you were weak when he checked back turn. You called a 4x raise pre, and called his 3/4 pot c-bet. It sounds like he was scared of MUBs, and didn't want to admit it. Think about it - if he knew his hand was best, why not raise the river? He's playing tight, but also playing scared.
I wonder what he'd have bet if we'd checked river. More than $350? Less? Does he ever check back? I also wonder if he bets the same amount with worse Qx or JJ/TT. If he has sizing tells, or if he ever checks back AA/KK, I like checking the river even more. If not, and he's likely to be balanced when he bets bigger, I can see the merit in blocking for 2/3 pot.
Conceivably, we might go for thin value with 9x, or bluff with something like ATdd, and he might call with worse Qx, JJ, or TT. Even though you lost the hand, it seems well played regardless.
Nice to know you can size up with thick value in future spots like this, against this V. If you had 2P+, he's probably snapping you off if you go 1.5x pot.
is interesting. id never 3b pre but i do see the incentives rise as his open size gets larger. river strat seems to depend on his flop sizing / strat. if he goes big u want to go small as he is supposed to be polar, if he goes small u want to go big as hes depolar. blah blah.
think his turn x is ok, doesn't really seem like a 3 street hand even on brick runout so he wants to check somewhere (equilibrium seems to mix his hand ott if he chooses this flop size so i wouldnt overly read into what it does to his ranges)
ajss looks like a fold too in the history hand so idk maybe he just plays well (i get thats not expected, encouraged or even really allowed at home games but still)
Welcome back. Always enjoyed reading your posts.
Think what was meant by the 'paying a pro' comment was that a subscription to some kind of solver service might be worthwhile, if you're playing those kinds of stakes.
00928 or whatever his name is makes these comments on my posts too and its not solver related.
According to him asking for free advice on 2p2 is dumb when you play 10/20+, you must spend thousands of dollars instead to get coached by a « pro » otherwise your terribad and not good eno
If you're going to address me, please do it directly. The advice you get here isn't necessarily correct and you have no idea who is giving it. You could be taking advice that sounds good from someone who doesn't have a clue of what they're speaking of. Paying a professional given how much you're losing given the stakes is a far better option.
