KQo iso
7 handed 2/5 500 Effective Rake 10% 5BB cap
Whale in UTG opens to 30. He has a limp open range and a 45 open range. His expected opening range 10% Of AA & KK as these would go into 45 open range, 100% of 66+,A8s+,K9s+,QTs+,JTs,A9o+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo. I a avg reg to this Casino on LJ 3bet to 60 with KQo, this is the first time I opted to min click after 1000's of hands because I wanted to appear really strong so I can iso the whale. A passive rec on HJ cold calls, this is the first time I am seeing this guy the only history I have with this guy is two hands ago when he bet 180 on the river into a 250 pot with QQ on a KT853 no flush draw board. CO a very loose aggressive player folds, I was very aware that this guy could squeeze me but I know he would not do that with a weak holding as my min raise would have rang alarm bells for him. BU, a mega nit, folds. SB a weak rec folds. BB a nit folds. Action back on Whale calls.
Flop QT7r Pot 187
UTG checks, I bet 110, HJ Calls, UTG Calls. I am thinking HJ could have QQ,JJ,99,88,AQ,KQ
Turn 3r pot 462 (330 remaining)
UTG checks, I bet 130, HJ calls and UTG folds
River A pot 622 (200 remaining) (now I think if I check he will check back all his weaker holdings and bet AQ and QQ. Then I have to call my KQ thinking he could be bluffing with JJ,99,88). So I decided to Jam hoping he would call his JJ,99,88
I jam and HJ makes a very quick call
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Hand is rather overplayed from start to finish.
Don't want to get overly nitpicky preflop but you describe UTG as a "whale" but then give him a range which is overly loose from EP yes but is a linear range. Is your read that he opens AA/KK to 9x but all other hands to 6x? That's a very specific read probably gained over a very long history with this opponent. But if he does have a linear range - even if slightly capped - then KQo is a bit light for an iso 3bet. I don't completely hate it if UTG is extremely loose but you have 5 players still to act and your hand isn't a powerhouse. I'd mostly just fold.
The main thing people are going to think about your min 3bet size is that you are a fish, not that you must have a scary hand.
Flop cbet is OK but make it smaller; you could also check. When you get two calls you need to slow down on the turn - even when you have passive opponents you need to respect the situation you're in which is stuck in the middle having shown aggression preflop and made a big cbet and nobody's gone anywhere.
River is very optimistic. Even the dreamiest of recs can see that on a AQTxx board a hand like 99 is no good - are you trying to represent that you've made this play with 65s?
If you want to iso, then iso with a normal raise to maximize the likelihood that you'll be HU or even just win the pot there.
Hand is rather overplayed from start to finish.
Don't want to get overly nitpicky preflop but you describe UTG as a "whale" but then give him a range which is overly loose from EP yes but is a linear range. Is your read that he opens AA/KK to 9x but all other hands to 6x? That's a very specific read probably gained over a very long history with this opponent. But if he does have a linear range - even if slightly capped - then KQo is a bit light for an iso 3bet. I don't completely hate it if UTG i
Yes I have a very long history with this opponent.
I know, I didn't like the way I played this hand immediately after playing it especially Turn and River.
The only reason I jammed the river was because I was thinking I am not folding when check jammed and I am always good when it goes check check. So I would rather jam. No I was not turning it into a bluff
I absolutely hate the minraise. Just have one 3b size for your whole range. It looks like you have a marginal hand and that's exactly what you have. Fold vs a 6x open from a guy that had an open limp range.
Flop is a huge overplay. I would check or bet 1/4 pot multiway.
Turn looks like button clicking. Just pot committing yourself 3 ways. You invested way too much between flop and turn.
River looks like a spew. You're not getting called by worse.
Pre does not look "really strong" to me, especially if you've never done this. If they are calling $30, they are calling $60. Plus, it gives the aggro even more reason to squeeze. Just raise your normal amount.
Flop bet is too big. I probably check turn after I get two callers, but I don't hate the bet. River I think I'd rather check/call than bet if I'm not folding. Get him to bet his worse hand. He should never/rarely be calling w/ worse.
This hand is butchered on every street. This is no way to iso a whale. Post flop your hand is not good enough to blast 3 streets multi-way and not bad enough to turn into a bluff. Spew.
PRE - What the hell is with that min-raise?
Is $30 the standard open in this game? That seems large. Even if he's a bit of a whale, unless we've seen him open a lot of hands for that size, in UTG, I'm not sure KQo is a good candidate for a 3B here. And if we are going to 3B, I'd just go 3x, to $90. If we want to size down slightly, because the $30 open is big, make it at least $75 or $80.
FLOP - Do we even need or want to c-bet here?
If we're always c-betting with KQ on this board, what strong hands are we checking? AQ? QJ? If we're going to c-bet, I think a small bet, less than 1/3 pot, would be better, when we're multi-way in a 3B pot. I would probably bet $50-$60 here, not $110, expecting V to raise with 2P+.
When we bet $110 and HJ calls, we need to wonder what HJ has that cold-calls the 3B pre, and then calls our almost 2/3 pot c-bet. Is he calling with worse value? That seems unlikely. More likely, he's got a better hand, or he's got a decent draw.
TURN - After HJ calls flop, I'd slow down and check here, to let HJ bet his better hands for value, or bluff with his draws.
If he checks, I'd feel better about going for some thin value on the river. If you want to bet the turn, just jam, to get max value from his draws, and put max pressure on his better hands, assuming he might fold something like AQ (which seems unlikely). You're not deep enough to bet around 1/3 pot and then fold the river.
The read we have on HJ is pretty useless. He's described as "passive", but we've seen him bet big with QQ on a K-high board, yet without knowing anything more about the hand or circumstances.
Ignoring the read, if we think the guy is even remotely competent, I think I'd rule out him holding QT, and maybe rule out AQ when he flat calls turn, and put him on some sort of draw.
RIVER - I don't know what to do here, because I'd never get to the river the way we did.
I think our hand is only strong enough to get two streets of value, and we already got them, but with only $200 left and $622 in the pot, I don't know how we can check-fold, or jam, when V either got there on the river or bricked out. Check-calling and hoping he either checks back or bluffs at it with a missed draw seems like our best play.
Your thought process on the river doesn't make any sense. You can't say you think he'll check back all his worse hands, and then say you'd have to call a bet, because he could be bluffing with a worse hand, and that you jammed hoping he'd call with 3rd pair or worse.
There's no way in hell he calls with JJ, 99, or 88. I think the worse hand he ever calls with is KQ, or maybe sometimes QJ, if he's really bad.
I would just check, and pray he checks back, but I'm probably calling if he jams, getting over 4 to 1, unless we pick up some sort of tell that he's nutted. I wouldn't jam, because all his missed draws are just going to fold, and we'll only get called by better, or at best, another KQ for a chop.