Outplayed by online reg with JJ?
1/3 NLHE 7 handed
Table is a late night Sunday game and its been quiet. We're up a little in this long session but we're staying because the game is playing short and there's a few fish to get in spots with. We're also catching a lot of good premiums and playing a solid value heavy game.
V - only other remotely competent player at the table. winning TAG style but gets out of line and can bluff. Says he plays full time online. Very little fear at 1/3 and have seen him playing 2/5. He's not great though, he can be sticky postflop but also aggressive and will attack your range if he thinks you're getting too out of line. He's currently talking strat at the table about how 3-bet sizings should be smaller to induce more calling and play a postflop game. H and V have crossed paths a few times tonight and are the two big stacks with H covering the table at ~1100-1300$ and V about ~700-800$.
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HH1: V opens HJ to 10, CO fish calls, H squeezes from the SB with Ac9h, only V calls, HU OOP. Kh-8h-7h H cbets V calls Turn 9c, we barrel and he folds J with the Jh.
HH2: Fish opens LJ to 10, V 3-bets HJ to 25, H in BB sees QJs and calls knowing fish will call, fish then calls. 3-ways to J-8-3r. H check, fish check, V cbets 4/5ths pot, H calls, fish folds. Turn Q w/ BDFD, H leads out for half pot and V folds saying he folded KK.
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V opens 10 UTG+1 off 800 eff stack, fish calls in late position, H sees J♣ J♠ in SB and makes it 55, V calls and fish folds. HU OOP.
Flop 120 (745 back) - A♥ 8♥ 3♠
H cbets 40, V calls
Turn 200 (705 back) - 3♣
H checks, V bets 95, H calls
River 390 (610 back) - 2♦
H checks, V bets 250....
8 Replies
Hate being the person that posts this, but the first two hand histories I am folding pre.
For the main hand, is he the type of player that would 4b a lot of Ax hands? Does he go super thin for value with a hand like A9s? If the answers are yes to the first and no to the second, then he's repping a pretty narrow range here... Still think I would fold though. It's somewhat hard to have bluffs, because 54 gets there, KQ and small pocket pairs have some showdown, etc...
EDIT to add, I also wouldn't think of folding this spot as being "outplayed" even if villain shows 55 or QJs or something. Sounds like you got the better of him a couple times, anyway
Yeah, I H1 and H2 are easy folds preflop for me.
In the main hand, I would bet/fold the turn and check/decide the river, having 3! preflop. Your small cbet doesn't fold out much, and when you check the turn, it looks too much face up that you have a JJ-KK.
Check flop from OOP when HU as the PFR. Especially on ace-high boards when we don't have an ace. I'd be checking back with JJ in position.
If you're going to turn your hand into a bluff by c-betting, you need to barrel the turn. If you're just going to fire one bullet and give up, then give up and fold when V bets after we check. If you call, you're just guessing on the river.
Don't know what you should do on the river, because I wouldn't get to the river this way. He's either bluffing or he isn't. Not sure how we can reason our way to an answer, the way we've played this.
both of the history hands seem like large errors to me, and then this hand seems like a clear fold. dont really understand the fascination on battling the only person u think is competent at your table
would recomend just looking in a solver as this seems to be a good opponent for it (hand is wp pre river but my guess is you aren't playing your range correctly to get to river as oop here)
I wouldn't always 3! this hand at 1/3. You end up forcing out the fish and isolating versus the good player OOP. Flat calling pre avoids all this trouble.
Given how wide you seem to be 3bing you should play a lot of your weaker aces this same way, which makes JJ an easy fold here
Result:
Spoiler
I fold and V shows 5♣ 6♠
He was the "only other remotely competent player at the table"?
I always find your detailed reads entertaining, even though many of them often turn out to be kind of fatuous.
You got me again.
