TPTK on Button multi-way
2/3/5 NL, $10 straddle
H has tight, somewhat aggressive image (has made a couble turn overbets that were successful bluffs).
V is a Middle Eastern 40's regular. Doesn't play super tight, but 3-bets a lot, is aggressive, is a thinking player. He is discussing hands in depth with his neighbor.
Effective stacks $900.
MP limp. LP limp.
H raises to $55 with Ah Qc on button.
V in BB calls.
MP and LP limpers call.
($233) Qd Jd 8h
Checks to H, H bets $50.
V raises to $200.
Folds to H.
H calls.
($633) Qd Jd 8h 8c
V checks.
H checks.
River: 3h
V checks.
H?
I can't check that flop right? Is $50 a tad too small?
Turn check ok?
On the river, I think I should bet. What's the right amount?
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Hand seems fine. Turn check is fine imo. Bet 2/3 river. I think it is even close where maybe we could bet fold 400 if he shoves the last 300 as crazy as that sounds, I just don't expect that to be a bluff basically ever. Maybe bet fold 350. Maybe bet call with the price you're getting. It is close.
I like flop size. Fwiw I don't think a flop check is horrible. On the flop you lose to QJ, T9, 88. It is still possible to get 2 streets of value if we check flop. Only thing is, 16/47 cards bring a one liner or 3 flush, so I probably lean slightly towards the small bet.
This is a very close check for me as a standard (I would bet QJ/KK).
Feels like I should deviate against the described player, but I don't know exactly what I'm exploiting by betting. I don't think their 4x flop raises are too light/merged, I don't think people call a big river bet too light (and villain seems like someone we can't rely on never raising a small bet), I guess their twice-checking range is too heavy on showdown value.
IDK, if there's more value to be had I think I miss it tbh.
I'd be $200 again. He might call w/ KQ, QT, maybe AJ. Seems highly unlikely that we are behind.
I really don't like the flop bet -- seems way too small. I'd only bet that way if I knew it would induce a raise, then I'd call and bet turn or just raise him on flop.
Without a diamond, I might have bet turn, then check back river. AP, I think you have to get 2 streets here. 200 seems reasonable.
This is a super wet dynamic board multi-way. We don’t have a nut advantage. We can expect to be c/r a lot here. So I think we can check this flop. If we bet (for value/protection) I don’t think 50 accomplishes much. I would prefer 75-100 as a bet size but am likely checking.
AP I think we can call the raise in position closing action and see what V does on turn. There are some “safe” turn cards but we also may be drawing dead to the turn card which sucks.
AP def check turn.
River is a decent thin value bet spot. I would go small (150-200) to target KQ/AJ/KJ/TJ type hands. I think we have to usually bet/fold although people rarely check fat value on the river and if he’s a FPS type that is more likely to bluff raise river than the average player, we may have to call it off, given that all the draws missed and our small bet may be inducing.
Result:
I bet $200 on the river.
V showed a Q and folded, he said he had KQ.
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I probably x flop rather than bet, otherwise everything is fine, hell a bet is probably fine. I bet river for whatever amount I think is reasonable so I guess somewhere around $250.
Result:
I bet $200 on the river.
V showed a Q and folded, he said he had KQ.
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That's pretty tight. I think you will get called by KQ a fair amount going 350-400. I also don't think it's too frequent we are beat after turn and river get checked.
Actually this shows a very nice quality about betting flop small. People spazz out with top pair. And then turn their hand face up by going small on the turn or checking. But when they bomb turn they basically always have it and we get let off the hook.
Checking flop and betting small both make sense. I’m checking back river vs someone who is probably creative enough to make our lives miserable.
Bookmarked for every time someone says low stakes recs don't fold top pair.