Floped set line check
1/2 NL Tuesday early evening
H - 30ish year old white male, at the table for 30 minutes or so. 325
V1 - 30-40 year old asian male, gave off and was action, constantly raising pre, cbetting most of the time, playing wide rangish, not going broke with nothing though. Has about 500
V2 - Unknown, looks and acts like the construction, ex-hs football player type. Covers table only one HH of note.
HH of note - First hand I am dealt K9ss in MP, I open to 15, two callers including V2, J82s, xxx, J827ss I x call a 20 dollar bet from V2, river is a brick, xx, I'm good. V never showed. H hasn't played another hand (10-15 hands) until the one below.
OTTH -
V1 is Button and has straddle to 5 on. H calls with 4d4c, V2 in BB calls the 5, folds back to V1 who makes it 15, H and V2 both call
Flop (45ish)
Jd4s2h
V1 bets 15, H just calls (such a dry board I figure a check can't be horrible?) V2 calls
(90ish)
Jd4s2h10h
V1 bets 35, H raises to 115, V2 cold calls (?!) V1 tank folds
River (320ish)
Jd4s2h10h10c
H jams
1. Is anyone raising flop, opposed to calling?
2. V2's cold call range has to be what on the turn; big combo draws and value like JJ 22 J 10 and tens?
13 Replies
Why is the button acting first on the flop and the turn?
What position are you in this hand?
I am not the pre-flop police, so I don't have an issue with limp-calling pre, especially if you are in the blinds and are acting first vs the button straddle. Donk might be interesting on the flop, but I like just calling when we check, to keep in the action player. Turn seems fine too.
I honestly think river is waaaay too thin on this card, though. Based on the range you yourself provided, you only beat one hand here. Personally, I think the guy probably also has some combo draw hands that brick, so I would check and hope he bluffs or even overvalues 22. If he checks back, like, J7hh, it's not a disaster because he probably isn't calling that hand anyway.
Thinking Perrone is SB here?
I think it's fine. You've 65 straddles and hit your set. The money's going in. I like the x-call on that dry as dust flop. It's a 180 bet into 320 on a river that a lot of V's range will x-back. Nh. Hope you won.
Edit: Wouldn't JT have just shoved over you on the turn? /edit.
Now top up if you can.
Yeah, guessing you are SB and check calling.
I think you played it fine. I like check calling on the flop, because V2 also naturally checks to the button raiser and can have some good hands too. You really don't want to make him fold a jack. If he winds up winning with JT, whatever.
I kind of like min raising button straddles because they are bad for the game, and I think that is the most annoying thing you can do to them. They are either going to have to overfold, or call with all kinds of crappy hands that usually just whiff and are rarely comfortable to play.
I think with $180 left and a $325 pot shove is the correct move here. Can get called by lots of hands that would/might check back river. All better hands are shoving themselves and H is calling anyways.
I too think hero played the hand fine.
But in the SB with 44, facing a button straddle from an aggressive player, after calling his 5, I would want to have the implied odds to call a raise to 20. Hero had barely the implied odds to set mine even with V2’s surprisingly small raise to 15. If V2 raised to 20 preflop, or V2 was a tight passive, I would fold.
I would imagine always calling with all pairs in the SB facing a button straddle is a leak.
The PF call is a major leak, since he was only 65BB deep and first to act with a potential set candidate that is almost never winning unimproved and also loves to get oversetted.
Consequently, the hand was not played fine. The only reason he was even able to see a flop is due to the BTN straddler's stupid, light raise.
fold pre k9s from mp
as played that's an ambitious call out the sb there as it usually gets bumped up to a point to price you out and you're unlikely to play for stacks when you hit due to this exact situation of being out of position
knowing it'd only get bumped another $10 i'd make the limp for $5 but normally that doesn't happen
fold pre, as played seems fine, i would probably go about it the same exact way
Depending on the exact position and usual open-raise size, K9s seems close to the indifference point to raise or fold.
I'd make the decision based on how sticky the remaining players are, and how active or not I've been.
V2 has a lot of combo draws and only a few made hands given the action on turn. I think we need to check and let him bluff.
I call a button straddle in the SB with a low pp when the table is passive. The button has a calling range. Pots go multiway with limpers. Hero has good implied odds. If people are aggressive and paying attention, I raise or fold the sb.
you're almost never getting the walk and mostly playing difficult to navigate boards oop where you win small pots or lose big ones with 2nd best hands