QJo OTB in good 4 8 game
4/8 7 handed ATM, good passive game, several terrible players. Blinds do not have a fold button.
4 limps to me OTB with QJo, I call(?), blinds come along. 3.5 BB
Flop comes KTx with 2 spades, I have Js. A couple of checks, EP bets, calls to me I raise thinking I might get a free card, alot of calls. About 8 BB
Turn is a J. Checks to CO who now bets. I call, 1 other call. 11 BB
River is a non spade brick. Check, bet, I fold.
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Pre - raise
Flop - raise
Turn - if the game is as good/passive as described I'm at least thinking about folding.
River - for me this is a fold almost all the time.
What card(s) were you hoping for on the river other than a non-spade A? Not sure a non-spade 9 would have done the job here.
i dont raise pre, i dont raise the flop, i call the turn, and i fold the river.
Out of curiosity, why would you ever overlimp the button?
Because you have a hand that is good enough to play for one bet with the best position but not good enough that you want to make the pot bigger.
If you never overlimp the button you're either playing way too tight or way too aggressive (looks like the second one based on your answer here).
I also call preflop. I'm fine with the raise on the flop. I would also think about folding the turn, but I probably couldn't do it in real time. Fold on the river is correct.
Because you have a hand that is good enough to play for one bet with the best position but not good enough that you want to make the pot bigger.If you never overlimp the button you're either playing way too tight or way too aggressive (looks like the second one based on your answer here). I also call preflop. I'm fine with the raise on the flop. I would also think about foldi
I was struggling as these "6+ to a flop" tables are unicorns at my local and I was trying to adjust to the way I used to play in the early boom glory days when most tables were like this. I tanked the turn and almost folded but talked myself into a call even though best case was probably a chop.
I think I raise here with JTS+, 66+ and AQo+? Maybe 98s+...small PP?
Other player called river, CO had AQo for the turned straight-good instincts from ntn on a 9 being no good.
Raising PF is not awful, but I think limping is quite a bit better. The rest of the hand looks good.
Raising PF is not awful, but I think limping is quite a bit better. The rest of the hand looks good.
I don't know what raising preflop accomplishes.
• Thin the field? No chance of that. The more players that have already limped, the more likely the blinds are to call with ATC.
• Build the pot when you're an equity favorite? You're not an equity favorite. Right now you're behind any Ace, any King, and any pair—and you're dominated by JJ+, AQ, AJ, KQ, and KJ (you said this game was passive; these hands are often limped in passive games). Your equity is slightly above average if you're not dominated and well below average if you are.
• Get a free turn card in case the flop doesn't hit you? Slim chance of that. At these stakes, players often don't defer to the preflop raiser multiway. If they connect with the flop, they bet.
And in fact you open yourself up to a backraise from the player who limped with AK or QQ+, or from the player with 33 or 6h7h who now decides he wants to play a big pot since there are so many callers.
Fold preflop.
Ok, perhaps I’m missing something but I can’t understand you you’d limp the button but not raise. As already mentioned, you’re not going to reduce the number of players. The only difference is the pot will be bigger.
The only reason to voluntarily put money in the pot is if it’s +EV. So if you limp it’s gotta be +EV. But wouldn’t raising be more +EV?
Implied and reverse implied odds exist so a mild -ev call on one street can be made up on future streets or as a part of a balanced strategy.
A FAMILY POT....U RAISE IN THIS SITUATION WHEN U HAVE A HAND THAT WILL WIN MORE THAN 14.83% OF THE TIME. ...FOR EXAMPLE, U SHOULD BE RAISING ANY SUITED ACE IN THIS SITUATION..IN FACT, IF A GUY WHO ALREADY CALLED FLASHED U HIS ACES, AND U KNEW NO ONE WOULD FOLD...UD STILL!!! RAISE THE ACES OTB....(PER IZMET FEKALI LOL...HIS DISCUSSIONS WITH MASON ON THIS TOPIC. WERE ENLIGHTENING)
I don't know where you get 14.83% from, but QJo does not have that much equity preflop because it is too easily dominated. With this hand, I want to see a flop cheaply and play some postflop poker with the best position.
I don't know where you get 14.83% from, but QJo does not have that much equity preflop because it is too easily dominated. With this hand, I want to see a flop cheaply and play some postflop poker with the best position.
I GET 14.83% BY DIVIDING 100 N2 7...WHICH MEANS THAT IF EVERYTHING WERE EQUAL...EVERYONE WOULD HAVE A 14.83% CHANCE OF WINNING. HENCE, THE REASON U SHOULD B RAISING WITH ANY HAND THAT HAS BETTER THAN SAY 15% ...I BELIEVE SUITED ACES FALL IN AROUND 21%?
100 divided by 7 equals what now?
Why are you discussing a suited ace?
Do you have anything to add about the actual hand?
WHY ARE YOU ASKING ME A STUPID QUESTION? OP IS TALKING ABOUT A FAMILY POT AND ASKING HOW HE PLAYED EACH STREET. INFACT, U!! ANSWERED A QUESTION ABOUT RAISING OR LIMPING PREFLOP OTB.....DID U NOT? SO DISCUSSION ABOUT HANDS U SHOULD B RAISING PREFLOP OTB N A FAMILY POT IS ON TOPIC! NOT TO MENTION I WAS ASKED ABOUT THE 14.83% IN EXPLAINING I USED A SUITED ACE AS AN EXAMPLE. QUESTION IS....DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING CONSTRUCTIVE TO ADD BESIDES THIS BS?
WHY ARE YOU ASKING ME A STUPID QUESTION? OP IS TALKING ABOUT A FAMILY POT AND ASKING HOW HE PLAYED EACH STREET. INFACT, U!! ANSWERED A QUESTION ABOUT RAISING OR LIMPING PREFLOP OTB.....DID U NOT? SO DISCUSSION ABOUT HANDS U SHOULD B RAISING PREFLOP OTB N A FAMILY POT IS ON TOPIC! NOT TO MENTI
YES I ALREADY MADE A CONSTRUCTIVE POST SOON AFTER THE THREAD STARTED YOU CAN SEE IT AT THE TOP BUT UR POSTS HERE AND ELSEWHERE MAKE VERY LITTLE IF ANY SENSE AND IT ALWAYS LOOKS LIKE UR YELLING AT US. R U EVEN A WINNING POKER PLAYER BRO BECAUSE I REALLY WOULD GUESS THAT UR NOT.
LMAO! IF IT MAKES NO SENSE THEN POINT OUT THE ERRORS INSTEAD OF TRYING TO NIT PICK FOR A REASON TO SAY SOMETHING. YOU SAID THE SUITED ACE COMMENT WAS OFF TOPIC...I POINTED OUT THAT IT WAS INFACT ON TOPIC..N U COME BACK WITH THIS NONSENSE! YELLING? LMAO..DO THE CAPS REALLY BOTHER YOU THAT MUCH? LMAO. WHAT DID I SAY THAT WAS WRONG, THAT MADE NO SENSE? ..............AND ROB IS ...............SILENT!
