KTo on the button
KTo on the button

KTo on the button

20/40 7 handed

sb’s second hand. he plays very weird and donks/fires a bunch. I know him idk if he knows me. bb is in like 60% of pots and plays pretty aggressive post.

3 limps to me (utg, +1, CO), I limp along KTo on the button. sb completes and bb checks.

flop 3BB
T53r

sb bets, bb raises, utg and CO cold call

are we putting in the third bet here or just calling?

03 June 2024 at 12:45 AM
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I’d raise pre if I played.

Raiding the flop only has to be a value play here. I’d call and eval on turn


by ninefingershuffle m

I’d raise pre if I played.

Raiding the flop only has to be a value play here. I’d call and eval on turn

I see some of the better more aggressive players raise with hands like this routinely on the button before the flop. I might be wrong but I don’t think it makes a difference whether you raise or call with a hand like this.

Do you raise JTo or QTo on the button in this spot?


by bruce m

I see some of the better more aggressive players raise with hands like this routinely on the button before the flop. I might be wrong but I don’t think it makes a difference whether you raise or call with a hand like this.

Do you raise JTo or QTo on the button in this spot?

I usually do, yes. I agree it's close but if you're playing in a game with 3 limpers it can't be that much of a mistake if it is a mistake at all.

I would 3bet the flop given the player descriptions. If it were like T96 I would cold call, but this isn't a texture that is particularly dynamic so I would rather just blast off on the flop and see what happens. Most of the plausible Tx hands (QT, JT, T9, perhaps T7/T8 if people are loose) are worse than yours and I think the hand plays a lot easier on the turn and river if you 3bet.


Yeah I guess my logic preflop is that neither of the blinds are ever folding and I didn’t feel like KT has a huge edge. Nor was I particularly feeling like I would get folds postflop.


Don't love preflop, but whatever yada yada. I am very tempted to take advantage of having the second best relative (and best absolute) position here by calling flop and seeing what this entire massive field does on the turn. It seems criminal to give up all the value from raising what is possibly the best hand here, and as pointed out, being able to likely check back some bad bad cards. But against a combined four (!) ranges, including a raise and two cold calls (!), and very little ability to improve when we're behind, I think our hand is deceptively weak.


by hardinthepaint m

Don't love preflop, but whatever yada yada. I am very tempted to take advantage of having the second best relative (and best absolute) position here by calling flop and seeing what this entire massive field does on the turn. It seems criminal to give up all the value from raising what is possibly the best hand here, and as pointed out, being able to likely check back some bad b

Seems pretty noticeably weak to me. I think it is a tough spot and unless I know all the other players in the hand are monkeys I may just fold.

I am curious as to how the rest of the hand went.


I just over limp this pre. KTo isn't so great MW, I'm not sure why we want to put in more bets.

I would call the flop and maybe raise some turns with the option to check back river.


I end up just calling. sb calls.

Turn J completing the rainbow 8BB

sh check, bb bets, utg+1 and CO both call. I’m guessing this is a call here? Any way we’re folding?


Call


Call. I’d fold an A/Q river.


Yeah I figured. River was an 8, he bet I was the only caller and he had JT.

Didn't really think the turn or river play was that interesting so I didn't post it.


I was hoping to find out what some of the other guys had. Really wondering how they put in so much action on a dry flop and then no one else called the river when only one overcard hit.


I just wanted to revisit the pre flop action here. In a MW pot I would think just calling is the play with KTo. Is this the hand we want to bloat the pot with? Shouldn't we have some big cards in our calling range? KTo is not a great mw hand yet we want to put in more money pre flop? Also, in this particular situation it seems less likely we will see the a 4 card flop if we choose. Once in a while somebody is gonna LRR.

The reason I bring this up is that I could be absolutely wrong here. Maybe the solvers say this is a raise.

I get raising to iso a bad player. I get raising a couple bad players in the CO to inherit the button.


by chillrob m

I was hoping to find out what some of the other guys had. Really wondering how they put in so much action on a dry flop and then no one else called the river when only one overcard hit.

Bad players will call two with a pocket pair hoping to hit a set. They will also call two with over cards. I suspect the players who made it to the river and folded picked up a draw on the turn and missed. Maybe they didn't make two pair with their 5 or 3 but were smart enough to let it go by the river.

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