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Hero is new-ish to the table from a must move game, played one hand raised the flop to one of the villains who has a decent sized stack and seems like an Asian reg. Villain raised pf in mp. Got two callers in front and hero. Called with suited connectors on the btn and flop open ended on a middle board. Villain bets flop, hero raises, bets turn, checks river and villain shows down 99. Second pair to paired 10s on the board.
Original villain in hand one raises in LP in a kill pot. Villain 2 calls on btn and has been fairly snug. Middle aged white guy. Hero looks down at jacks in the SB and 3!
Flop: Q-Q-6r. Hero bets all call.
Turn: 8 puts a flush draw out there and checks to see what the other guys do, thinking he’s most likely ahead.
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I would bet again on turn.
Was thinking the same. Maybe got a little mubsy with two tight-ish guys in the hand.
Yeah bet and call down. Check would be better with AA
Hero checks turn V1 bets, v2 calls, hero calls.
River: J completes flush.
Hero goes for the c/r.
sounds good to me
I would have bet the turn.
The rest of the hand kinda depends if you think either villain is the kind of person who would call the flop with nothing.
What range do you put each player on after their turn actions?
I would have bet the turn.
The rest of the hand kinda depends if you think either villain is the kind of person who would call the flop with nothing.
What range do you put each player on after their turn actions?
Unsure about the floating for either of the villains at the time.
Middling pocket pairs
I would also bet turn. In addition to having the best hand a lot of the time, you open yourself up to being blown off the best hand if the PFR bets and the button raises. This is not a gigantic risk with these two players as described, but I would raise much wider than I normally would if I were the button with this action.
River c/r is probably good as played. Iβd donk only if I thought these guys were both huge nits.
I think they can have some bluffs that will bet and 9Tdd, QT, QK, AQ. If they have middling pocket pairs theyβre not likely to bet so seems bad to check it thatβs what you put them on.
Don't know why you think someone could have 9Tdd; the flop was rainbow.
What bluffs do you think they could have on the turn after floating the flop with nothing?
I agree with OP that middling pocket pairs are likely, along with a paired 6, and a paired 8 if it happened to float the flop. I think many of those would bet the turn, along with the Qs and boats that have OP crushed.
Don't know why you think someone could have 9Tdd; the flop was rainbow.
What bluffs do you think they could have on the turn after floating the flop with nothing?
I agree with OP that middling pocket pairs are likely, along with a paired 6, and a paired 8 if it happened to float the flop. I think many of those would bet the turn, along with the Qs and boats that have OP crushed.
Rob, perhaps we play in different games, but I see people float flops like this with two unpaired cards and a BDFD all the time.
Don't know why you think someone could have 9Tdd; the flop was rainbow.
What bluffs do you think they could have on the turn after floating the flop with nothing?
I agree with OP that middling pocket pairs are likely, along with a paired 6, and a paired 8 if it happened to float the flop. I think many of those would bet the turn, along with the Qs and boats that have OP crushed.
You think they can have an eight but donβt think they can have 910dd which is a bdfd+bdsd+two overcards to the 6?
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With AA itβs much less likely to be outdrawn. We only have to dodge a player or players hitting a two outer. Iβm not convinced checking with AA is the optimal play.
You think they can have an eight but donβt think they can have 910dd which is a bdfd+bdsd+two overcards to the 6?
I think an 8 is pretty unlikely, but possibly if something like A8s.
Having T9s of whatever suit came on the turn could be possible but one specific hand isn't worth thinking about.
Against typical players, I think calling down even one guy who raised the turn isn't good. It should only be right if you read the guy as a loose cannon.
But if you really know you can't ever fold in this hand, maybe it is better to just check-call turn and river, as it keeps in the hands you beat which are bluffing or think they're ahead.
It does risk someone hitting a two outer on the river, but could be better.
FWIW, I find the background context hand almost impossible to follow, and for our hand in question, I don't know who posted the kill, which might be relevant.
In any case, I don't see why we would do anything other than bet the turn.