Introduction to Small Stakes No-Limit Hold ’em: Help Them Give You Their Money
Hi Everyone:
Here's part of the Introduction to or upcoming book Small Stakes No-Limit Hold ’em: Help Them Give You Their Money. We expect to have the printed book up on Amazon in less than a month:
Introduction
Let’s start this book off with a few examples. These are just a few of the many types of hands which for the live small stakes games, usually $2-$5 or less, that we play differently from the way almost all other players in these games will play them, and is also different from much of the standard advice that is out there. So why do we do this?
The answer is simple. Against poor playing opponents, the best strategy for maximizing your win rate is to exploit these players as much as possible, sometimes with plays that look extreme. Especially to an “expert” player who often relies on Game Theory Optimal (GTO) to model his strategy.
Now, we understand that those who usually play GTO will, when appropriate, exploit their opponents. They do so when they see an opponent playing very badly which will make them make changes to their standard strategy. But they usually do this only in very obvious cases.
But that’s not the way we play these small stakes games. In these games, assuming the game is eight or nine-handed, it’s common to be against four ot more terrible players, and even most of the remaining players, who are usually semi-competent, will still make some significant errors, especially late in the hand when the big bets are in play.
If you were to go into a higher stakes (live) game, usually $5-$10 and up, where there are many strong players, and do many of the things that we’ll be recommending, your results will probably be disappointing. But if you stick to a game like $1-$3 no-limit hold ’em where the maximum buy-in is usually 100 to 200 big blinds, and follow the advice that is contained in this book, we suspect that you’ll be quite surprised and pleased with your results.
Our approach is not looking to make lots of great plays where you may steal a pot or knock a player out who, if he had stayed in, might have beaten you on a later street. We’re also not interested in constantly balancing our strategy and putting our opponent(s) at an “indifference point.” The experts can worry about that stuff, and if that’s your approach, play the higher stakes or perhaps limit hold ’em where recognizing small edges is highly important. But if you simply want to let your opponents give you their money, we’ll show you how to do it.
A Few Examples
(Again, these examples show you only a small number of the many ideas we will soon tell you about.) To see what we’re talking about, here are five examples. Notice that in every one of these hands, we’re playing differently, and sometimes very differently, from the way most poker instructors, coaches, book authors, poker video content producers, etc., will tell you how to play. It's true that, in general, their advice may be reasonably good, especially against tougher players than those we’ll be addressing. But it won’t be well targeted for these small stakes games. And if you’re playing live, these are the vast majority of games that are spread in our public cardrooms.
Example No. 1: Here’s a hand that David played in a Las Vegas $1-$3 game. It’s an extreme example, but we want to start with it to show how different many of the strategies in this book are and to give you an idea of how different, in some situations, our approach to maximizing your expectation is from the typical player, and this includes most of those who are currently having some success in live $1-$2, $1-$3, $2-$5, and similar no-limit hold ’em games.
In a $1-$3 no-limit game, David was dealt the
K♦ K♣
two positions to the right of the button. The first four players limped in and David only called. The next two players folded, the small blind called, and the big blind checked.
The flop came the
J♠ 9♥ 7♠
The under-the-gun player bet, two players called, and then David threw his pair of kings in the muck.
Virtually no one else, at the time of this writing, would play a pair of kings in late position in a multiway pot this way. They would have made a substantial raise before the flop, and on the flop they would have certainly played their hand.
But let’s notice something obvious. If one of the last two positions or one of the blinds would have raised, when the action got back to David, he would have the option to make a big reraise, and if there were also a couple of callers, he would almost always be a large favorite to win a big pot assuming he got at least one caller.
As for his fold on the flop, given the way the hand was played, the reason for David’s fold is a little more complex, and that will be explained in detail later in this book. He would not have folded if the flop would have come something like the
J♠ 7♥ 2:♣
So, this example should give you an idea of what this book is about. To be specific, it’s playing your hands in the way that will exploit the weak players to the maximum. And as you can see from this example, some of the ways to do this aren't the ways that are generally advocated by the current crop of poker instructors and poker coaches as well as some of whom have been around. But there are ways, which will allow you to win the maximum at a reasonable risk that these small live stakes games have to offer.
Example No. 2: This hand was played by David. Under-the-Gun in a $1-$3 game at a full table, David held the
A♠ K♠
Instead of raising first in as most poker instructors would recommend, he limped in for $3 and got three callers behind him plus the big blind. So, after the rake, there was $15 in the pot.
The flop came the
K♣ 9♥ 4♣
and with top pair, top kicker, David bet $15 and got one caller. The pot (after the rake) is now $42.
David saw that his lone opponent only had $80 left. And when a T♦ came on the turn, David bet $80 and was called by his opponent who was now all-in. Unfortunately, a club came on the river and this player showed the
6♣ 2♣
for a flush which won the pot.
Now some of you might say that if David had raised before the flop, as most players would, he would have won the pot. But notice that he got his opponent to call a large bet (for this game) getting 1.5-to-1 odds when he needed to make a 4-to-1 shot. So, theoretically, David won much more playing the hand this way than he would have won playing the hand in a conventional manner. And over time, these theoretical wins do turn into real money.
Example No. 3: Here’s a hand that Mason played. A timid early position player limped in, and Mason had concluded that this player absolutely never bluffed. Everyone folded to Mason who called with the 7♥7♦ on the button. The small blind folded and the big blind checked.
Three random cards, including one overcard to the sevens, flopped. The big blind checked, the timid player bet a modest amount, and Mason folded.
Example No. 4: Here’s another hand that Mason played. In a $1-$3 game, an overly loose-aggressive player, two positions to the right of the button, raised to $10. The button called and Mason, who held the
A♠ K♠
in the big blind called. Notice that the standard play would be to make a big reraise.
The flop came the
J♥ 6♦ 3♠
Mason checked, the loose-aggressive player bet $15, the button folded, and Mason called with his ace-king and three-flush. The turn was the 6♠ giving Mason a four-flush. Mason checked, the loose aggressive player bet $25, and Mason called.
The river was the A♣. Mason checked, the loose-aggressive player bet $50 and Mason called with his (now) aces-up and king kicker. The loose aggressive player then turned over the
A♦ 2♥
Notice that he had bet a total of $100 on all four streets and never had the best hand.
Example No. 5: And for our final example, here’s a hand that David played. Before the flop in a $1-$2 game that had a maximum $300 buy-in, David called a limp with the
8♠ 7♠
Five players, not including the small blind, saw the flop, and after the rake there was $10 in the pot. The flop was the
A♠ 9♠ 4♣
which gave David a flush draw. An early position player bet $8, and David called. Now there was $25 (after the rake) in the pot and both players had plenty of chips. The turn was a blank and David’s opponent bet $15 into the $25 pot bringing it to $38 (after the rake). This meant that David would be receiving immediate odds of $38-to-$15, or 2.53-to-1, to call. And since making a flush on the river is approximately 4-to-1, even if David can collect an additional bet when his flush comes in, this does not seem like enough to warrant a call. But David went ahead and called, bringing the pot to $52 (after the rake).
The flush card came on the river. The early position player checked, and David bet $70, $18 more than the size of the pot. And after thinking for a while, the early position player called and his top pair lost to the flush and David made $108 on his $15 call, which is approximately 7.2-to-1 on a 4-to-1 shot.
If you're tired of poker books filled with math and charts, you'll appreciate this book. This book stands out because it uses real-life examples from low-stakes games like 2/5 and 1/3. It's practical, giving tips on how to play certain hands and when depending on the situation and the other players.
This book reminds me of how poker books used to be written before all the GTO strategies and charts became popular. It focuses on poker as a game of instinct and creativity rather than just strict strategy. IMO, While GTO works, relying too much on it can backfire.
I found this book relatable as someone who plays poker for extra income and not as a full-time job. It's perfect for players who want to enjoy the game and learn different strategies without getting overwhelmed by technical details. It's a reminder that poker is not just about numbers but also about understanding other players and being creative.
Meanwhile there is another play that I believe has conventional wisdom associated with it that I am thinking about. I would appreciate it if posters here would verify that it is indeed conventional wisdom and whether you agree with it.
If you are dealt QQ, KK, or AA and somehow knew you could get four typically skilled small stakes players to put in $!5 against you (with $285 behind) or only one opponent for $25 (with $275) you would choose the latter alternative. Is that generally what is though
Choosing QQ vs 4 players is practically just set mining.
I just read this on page 78 in J Little's latest book:
Against multiple limpers the initial limper's strategy should be your main concern. Most players who limp behind the initial limper almost never have a premium hand because they would have raised. ...
I think we have this covered.
Mason
J Little is also terrible at poker just fyi. How much time have you guys spent studying on RIO or upswing?
J Little is also terrible at poker just fyi. How much time have you guys spent studying on RIO or upswing?
First, we're familiar with J Little. Second, I think that both RIO and Upswing are fine sites.
By the way, have you read Theory of Games and Economic Behavior by John Von Neumann and Oskar Morgenstern? I read it over 30 years ago.
Do you know what a saddle point. or maximin is?
Mason
First, we're familiar with J Little. Second, I think that both RIO and Upswing are fine sites.
By the way, have you read Theory of Games and Economic Behavior by John Von Neumann and Oskar Morgenstern? I read it over 30 years ago.
Do you know what a saddle point. or maximin is?
Mason
No but I can beat you heads up
You tell me what’s more important in a poker game
Also why didn’t you answer my questions about time spent on upswing or RIO? You said they are fine sites, how do you know?
No but I can beat you heads up
You tell me what’s more important in a poker game
Also why didn’t you answer my questions about time spent on upswing or RIO? You said they are fine sites, how do you know?
And why do you always try to put us down? That's why I don't answer your questions.
MM
J Little is also terrible at poker just fyi. How much time have you guys spent studying on RIO or upswing?
Little won 2 WPTs in 2008 or something. First he sold action at a high markup. When that stopped working, he has made it into a business producing videos, books, etc. for fish. There are other people like that. Tom McEvoy won a WSOP ME in 1988 or something and made that into lots of awful books, etc.
That's why I said this book compares favorably to what is out there on the subject, which doesn't say much. They are either by people like Little or 1/3 or 2/5 grinders.
lol at bashing Little, I mean he’s probably not amongst the best in the world but he won before a computer told him how to play and he does just fine now.
And he sells a lot of books and other stuff. Something to be said for relatively passive income rolling in.
Also lol at saying the authors need to study upswing/rio to write a 1/3 book
lol at bashing Little, I mean he’s probably not amongst the best in the world but he won before a computer told him how to play and he does just fine now.
And he sells a lot of books and other stuff. Something to be said for relatively passive income rolling in.
Also lol at saying the authors need to study upswing/rio to write a 1/3 book
I didn’t say they needed to. I asked them how much studying they had done. It seems like the authors talk a lot about subjects they haven’t studied. How can they discuss gto without having studied it?
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Maybe you should start playing more heads up poker then, instead of games you can't beat, like full ring 1/3 NLH.
Maybe if you read this new book, and really apply yourself, you could become a break even player.
Maybe you should start playing more heads up poker then, instead of games you can't beat, like full ring 1/3 NLH.
Maybe if you read this new book, and really apply yourself, you could become a break even player.
Why are you so defensive of Sklansky? He your personal friend or something.. I don't know what's in the book as a whole and I never will as I have no intention of buying it but the teaser hand samples presented at the start of this thread are garbage. Both in theory and in practice. limping big hands might be fine in a aggro game but that's not 1/3.
I didn’t say they needed to. I asked them how much studying they had done. It seems like the authors talk a lot about subjects they haven’t studied. How can they discuss gto without having studied it?
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One of the authors wrote Theory of Poker where gto is discussed 40 years ago and before Doug Polk was even born
He didnt require for him to be born, grow up, create upswing, so that he could join the site and learn about gto lol
Why are you so defensive of Sklansky? He your personal friend or something.. I don't know what's in the book as a whole and I never will as I have no intention of buying it but the teaser hand samples presented at the start of this thread are garbage. Both in theory and in practice. limping big hands might be fine in a aggro game but that's not 1/3.
Except that we do say that the game needs to be aggressive. You should read what the book says.
Also, in the Introduction we used very extreme examples in order to illustrate how far out of the box we’re willing to contemplate when the situation is right.
Mason
One of the authors wrote Theory of Poker where gto is discussed 40 years ago and before Doug Polk was even born
He didnt require for him to be born, grow up, create upswing, so that he could join the site and learn about gto lol
Back in the 1980s, when I lived in California, one of the poker games I played a lot (before hold 'em and stud were legalized) was California ace-to-five lowball. If there ever was a poker game that was a good fit for game theory, this was it, and it probably fits game theory better than no-limit hold 'em. Because of this, I was studying game theory at that time.
For an example, in 1987, the first edition of my book Gambling Theory and Other Topics came out. A year later I expanded the book and one of the chapters added was titled "Betting and Game Theory." This chapter contains some information that, as far as I can tell, many of the poker instructors today still don't understand. For example, they almost all talk about range protection where as the aggressor you hold some of your value hands back and keep in your checking range. But none of them, again as far as I know, talk about when it is right to go to range aggression and actually bet hands whose EV is now negative.
However, our new book, which this thread is about, is not a GTO poker strategy. In the games it's targeted for, using a GTO poker strategy will usually be a mistake.
Mason
Yup I hear ya, you don’t need Doug Polk to teach you about GTO.
Why are you so defensive of Sklansky? He your personal friend or something.. I don't know what's in the book as a whole and I never will as I have no intention of buying it but the teaser hand samples presented at the start of this thread are garbage. Both in theory and in practice. limping big hands might be fine in a aggro game but that's not 1/3.
I have met him but we're not friends. When I met him, I thanked him for my being a successful poker player after reading his books.
PW says these guys don't know how to play and don't understand game theory like he does, when he is on other subforums discussing being staked by criminals and asking what are the best promos for playing 1/3nl.
Maybe you should start playing more heads up poker then, instead of games you can't beat, like full ring 1/3 NLH.
Maybe if you read this new book, and really apply yourself, you could become a break even player.
I’ve made over $250k playing 1/3 and 2/5 lol I think you’re confused.
Do you think reading a book on game theory is the same as studying GTO solutions for nlhe?
Back in the 1980s, when I lived in California, one of the poker games I played a lot (before hold 'em and stud were legalized) was California ace-to-five lowball. If there ever was a poker game that was a good fit for game theory, this was it, and it probably fits game theory better than no-limit hold 'em. Because of this, I was studying game theory at that time.
For an example, in 1987, the first edition of my book Gambling Theory and Other Topics came out. A year later I expanded the book and o
Mason what experiments and data have you used to determine what is GTO for nlhe and then how were you able to compare it and reach the conclusion that it is usually mistake ?
It’s fine to say that’s your opinion.
Can you guys please answer how many hours either one of you has spent studying gto on upswing or Rio
It is ok if the answer is zero hours
I’ve made over $250k playing 1/3 and 2/5 lol I think you’re confused.
Do you think reading a book on game theory is the same as studying GTO solutions for nlhe?
Kind of funny how you need backers and hunt for promos then.
No, they're not exactly the same. Neither is applicable to full ring 1/3 NLH games.
Kind of funny how you need backers and hunt for promos then.
No, they're not exactly the same. Neither is applicable to full ring 1/3 NLH games.
Clearly you don’t know how poker works. Have you ever studied gto? A lot of it is more than applicable at live low stakes. Like tons and tons of it. One of the few things gto gets wrong for live is how to play the river. Besides that it’s great
You think it’s bad for low stakes? is that other peoples thoughts or you did gro research on your own
Clearly you don’t know how poker works. Have you ever studied gto? A lot of it is more than applicable at live low stakes. Like tons and tons of it. One of the few things gto gets wrong for live is how to play the river. Besides that it’s great
You think it’s bad for low stakes? is that other peoples thoughts or you did gro research on your own
I have studied some material on game theory. It's not nearly as useful for playing multiplayer games against bad opponents. I've also been a poker pro for many years and have never needed staking.
You're welcome to think otherwise, but you are literally the last person whose advice I would take on this. Based on all your other posts, both the lack of intelligence shown on them, and your need for backers for 1/3, I see your endorsement of any idea as being significant evidence for that idea being incorrect.