2024 World Series of Poker May 28th to July 17th ***No Spoilers***
The 2024 WSOP will take place at Horseshoe Las Vegas and Paris Las Vegas from May 28 to July 17, 2024, with the Main Event running from July 3 to July 17. The Main Event – poker’s undisputed freezeout world championship – will have four starting days, beginning on Wednesday, July 3. Players may also register directly on Day 2.
Is there really such a thing as an individual game? Everybody has coaches and whatnot that help them out. How about MMA? Coaches are shouting out things to their fighters in the middle of the bout.
I just don't see any practical way of trying to ban it short of locking the players in a cage and not letting them converse with anybody on the rail except for breaks. Which seems a bit extreme and unlikely to ever happen, so just accept it.
well the other person can hear it too in mma
I don't accept it though, poker is supposed to be one person vs another on the felt, if there's an amateur with no pros is he supposed to just accept vs a pro with a bunch of other top pros on the rail telling that pro how to play vs that amateur? I don't like this at all but I probably won't make a deep main run so I won't have that problem.
Those two really sucked at hu
well the other person can hear it too in mma
I don't accept it though, poker is supposed to be one person vs another on the felt, if there's an amateur with no pros is he supposed to just accept vs a pro with a bunch of other top pros on the rail telling that pro how to play vs that amateur? I don't like this at all but I probably won't make a deep main run so I won't have that problem.
Fair points, it's definitely not perfect I'm just not sure if there is a perfect solution.
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idk why someone folding their way to 1st place tilts me so much
was probably Griff's first ever HU experience
understood enough to not be too bad I thought, the limp AA was balance thing but he was so aggro he should've just left it unbalanced and went for it with it, cost some chips with that. Well I'm not sure that one hand he knew he was effectively bluffing the 7.
Nobody cares about my opinion, but I'll give it anyway -
I'm a very casual poker player who just plays home games and occasional donkament, and watch the ME yearly. This is the first time signing into this forum account in 10+ years. As I was watching this year, I signed up for GTO Wizard and had thoughts about studying and playing in the WSOP next year, since I'm semi-retiring from my career.
All of those thoughts went out the window after seeing Tamayo's rail and coaching. No desire to participate and compete against people backed by coaches. Anyway, that's all, bye!
JFC
Nobody cares about my opinion, but I'll give it anyway -
I'm a very casual poker player who just plays home games and occasional donkament, and watch the ME yearly. This is the first time signing into this forum account in 10+ years. As I was watching this year, I signed up for GTO Wizard and had thoughts about studying and playing in the WSOP next year, since I'm semi-retiring from my career.
All of those thoughts went out the window after seeing Tamayo's rail and coaching. No desire to participa
I get that tbh. I enjoy playing but I’m know I’m not going to invest the same amount of time into study/coaching as many players are these days so I don’t play very much because I know I’m lighting money on fire most of the time.
The internet is, and will always be, undefeated.
I get that tbh. I enjoy playing but I’m know I’m not going to invest the same amount of time into study/coaching as many players are these days so I don’t play very much because I know I’m lighting money on fire most of the time.
This. I’m a former online guy who used to grind hard in college and then boom Black Friday. Still keep up with wsop main events and one day wanted to do it.
Poker just seems a lot less thrilling now. I remember when I first went all in online and how much of a rush it was. I think I jammed 99 for 100bbs in a cash game and got called by AK. The thrill of that was awesome.
Now it’s so mechanical. There is too much information to the point where someone who plays casually needs way more luck than they used to. That’s cool and all for those who want to study poker, but give me the old days of just figuring it all out on our own and playing on feel.
- 35 year old boomer
epic meme
so when was the deal made
This. I’m a former online guy who used to grind hard in college and then boom Black Friday. Still keep up with wsop main events and one day wanted to do it.
Poker just seems a lot less thrilling now. I remember when I first went all in online and how much of a rush it was. I think I jammed 99 for 100bbs in a cash game and got called by AK. The thrill of that was awesome.
Now it’s so mechanical. There is too much information to the point where someone who plays casually needs way more luck than t
For sure can understand someone getting tired of poker in general and NLHE specifically.
Dealer's choice and mixed games exist if you want to play formats that aren't as studied.
If you play the $1.5k or $10k dealer's choice at the WSOP, you could play over 20 different variants in one event:
No-Limit Hold’em; Limit Hold’em; Razz; Seven Card Stud; Seven Card Stud Hi-Lo 8 or Better; Seven
Card Stud Hi-Lo Regular; Pot-Limit Hold’em; Pot-Limit Omaha; Pot-Limit Omaha Hi-Lo 8 or Better;
Pot-Limit 2-7 Lowball Triple Draw; Big O; Limit Omaha High; Omaha Hi-Lo 8 or Better; Limit 2-7
Lowball Triple Draw; Ace to 5 Lowball Triple Draw; Badugi; Badeucy; Badacy; No-Limit 2-7 Lowball
Draw; No-Limit 5-Card Draw High; 2-7 Razz
I think you sum in up pretty well.
This is nothing new at the top level of competition in the vast majority of sports/games. When the Chiefs defense on the field, Mahomes is talking with fellow players and coaches. Reviewing previous plays, going over the opponent's defense and how to best attack it. It's just that poker has become such a mathematical game that solvers are used now.
poker is a game of incomplete information. having guys live stream hands 30-60 mins later to break them down with perfect info and feed it to people playing seems like it shouldn't be allowed to me. I get they're going to do it at the end of the day but they should limit it as much as possible. Either no electronics on the rail or some kind of barrier so players can't be fed info on a slight delay.
I hate it too, bubble the players away from the rail probably isn't feasible though. It'd be ridiculous to see in other sports or events or games you can just go up to the crowd for advice in the middle of the game.
Players literally go up to other people to ask for advice all the time in the middle of a game in other sports. Those are people are called managers, coaches, caddies etc.
Borg, are you in the chat during PokerGo or YouTube streams? What you described here NAILS it how know-it-all it collectively is.
[Player A four-bet shoves with KK for 50x effective. Player B has QQ.]
"Oh my God, fold"
"Easiest fold in the world, what a donk"
"I would have mucked by now and already been halfway to the bathroom"
"Is Negreanu still in?"
"B is the worst player ever if he calls this."
An hour later...
[Player A four-best shoves with AK for 50x effective. Player B has QQ.]
LOL
Nobody cares about my opinion, but I'll give it anyway -
I'm a very casual poker player who just plays home games and occasional donkament, and watch the ME yearly. This is the first time signing into this forum account in 10+ years. As I was watching this year, I signed up for GTO Wizard and had thoughts about studying and playing in the WSOP next year, since I'm semi-retiring from my career.
All of those thoughts went out the window after seeing Tamayo's rail and coaching. No desire to participa
Just play The System from this book, renders coaches, solvers & GTO worse than useless.
Rail should be sequestered and the part of it that players can interact with should be a strictly enforced no phone/device zone. Would fix a lot of the live coaching.
The comparison to other sports with coaches misses the point. Poker has always been like that - if you have a smart player in your rail you could go and ask for some advice between hands. But with GTOWizard etc nowadays you aren't really asking 'your smart friend/coach', you are asking a solver for advice. Which breaks the rules that the WSOP have of 'no checking solvers while playing'. The rule is circumvented too easily with rails. There's a reason you aren't allowed to talk to other people while playing in games like chess - it would just become a battle of being the best at finding ways of quickly checking solves and applying them as close to real time as possible.
Side note. Two terrible ME winners in a row now. If you have McKeehan on your rail.. says it all about you.
They could at least try to hide it a little bit.
No way I’d let them sit there with laptop ablaze
Daniel Weinman had over $4 million in earnings, 2 big WPT titles, a WSOP bracelet and Cherokee main event title before he won the WSOP main event
And he has been a completely useless ambassador for poker. Like, negative impact if anything. Boring American reg winning leads exactly 0 people into poker, it makes people quit to see someone with Shaun Deeb on his rail win the ME.
