Superuser Caught on GGPoker - "MoneyTaker69" Thread
User "MoneyTaker69" is alleged to be superusing on GG Poker.
In December, Moneytaker won at 90bb/100 on GG Poker in 8,900 hands playing 53% VPIP. Soon after, he binked a $150 Sunday MTT for $47,586 while playing an extremely volatile strategy, which aroused a lot of suspicion. GG Poker has acknowledged the situation privately and is preparing to address it, but it's important for the public to know immediately due to the significance of superusing.
The Results
The following results graph comes from Smarthand, a site that tracks online poker results. MoneyTaker won at 90bb/100 in December playing 53/17.
Typically, a player with this VPIP/PFR ratio would be in the -50bb/100 range. Even if we were impossibly generous and said he was breakeven, this run would be a statical anomaly. For a -50bb recreational? Impossible.
Here is a primedope simulation of the probability of a breakeven player having this run.
The following is a simulation of possible runs for a player with a given winrate using primedope's variance calculator. The light blue line at the top of the graph represents the "Best" run, which is the luckiest run a person could have in 1,000 trials.
This is a -50bb player playing 9000 hands. Their luckiest run is around -10 buyins. Mokeytaker won 77 buy-ins.
Additionally, MoneyTaker won a $150 GG Masters Sunday MTT, which is a big open field tournament. This makes the possibility of chip dumping or targeting specific players with a virus much less likely.
The Hands
The following hands were collected by various users as examples of likely foul play.
How is he cheating?
Based off his play, the most natural explanation is that he can see the cards. He rarely puts in money significantly behind or calls the river with the worst hand. Also, his winrate is so high that RTA could not possibly explain it.
It's unclear how he's able to see others' cards, and it's possible he's not the only one exploiting a glitch in the system. A post on 2+2 highlighted a group of suspicious accounts that played for brief stints and won for >30bb/100, which is particularly difficult on GG due to their rake structure.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...
There is no clear evidence that the players highlighted in the above post are superusing, but it's not unreasonable to suspect that this could be a larger issue at scale if done by hackers that want to be less obvious than running >50% VPIP.
Hacker Group
"MoneyTaker" is a hacker group. It's unclear if this account is in any way associated with them or if it's just incidental, but worth mentioning.
What's Next?
As a community, we await GG Poker's response. I'm confident they'll do the right thing and share everything they know about this incident shortly.
I mean, I agree that it's a good time for stars to capitalise on this, but it would've been nice to hear from GG about the safeguards they have in this area, you'd think some reassurance would be coming out from them. It says a lot that they haven't done that.
Like the movie Tommy Boy, they would be taking a dump in a box and labeling it guaranteed
I wouldn’t fall for any reassurances, and just assume whatever crazy business that is possible is going on somewhere on site. Then if you still happen to be winning and/or having fun continue playing if you choose
Unless Doug Polk or any other guy with a lot of public brings this to people attention, most players won't know what's happening. I have more than 300 players and few knew about this. We are talking about pro players,,,cant imagine fun players...
This thread is dying. Proves GG was correct in keeping their heads low and waiting for this to blow over.
There have to be more superusers. Do people have access to data to show it? Probably more will be exposed.
Just bumping because this is getting overshadowed by ACR but I think its equally important.
There is just no way this one guy was the only one who found out and exploited this flaw in the software. And if the other cheaters were smarter they could have potentially taken huge amounts of money out of the games.
Ambassadors and people linked to the earnings produced by their networks will never have the slightest intention of exposing themselves.
GGpoker is just waiting for this hype to end, there are 500,000 monkeys online playing and it will always be like this, stupid gambling addicts. no one will bother to expose themselves decisively in the media. People like negreanu, holz, all in pav etc and all the ambassadors in these rooms really disgust me.
For their own gain they literally sold their souls to the devil.
Nothing will change, we should just go on strike.
but now some reg or someone inside the rooms with an account will arrive and say "you're just a crying fish", no dickhead, I have the eyes to see and the head to think, I don't let myself be fooled by mediocre speeches, see moneymaker or allin pav.
You can, in my humble opinion, **** your vlogs.
The ambassadors are already aware, and probably were before, for those who think otherwise I have the number of an excellent psychotherapist.
Nah more like saved by the news cycle moving on, finding something else to focus on and well let's be real majority of poker players are indeed idiots as pointed out many pages ago. So exactly no different then real life.....news cycle moves on old news stories get buried. Idiots of the world can't focus on anything for more then a few mins at a time. The new news cycle just happened to be about ACR.
Cheers!!!
insane how absolutely zero tweets or info have been dessimated by dnegs as he is the face of this company, i know he is a company man but come on .
as for Koon, he specifically got hired for some integrity council bullshit and here we are. crickets
Jason Koon is the biggest embarrasment of the lot.
Can somebody request minutes from the last meeting of his "integrity council"? ����
insane how absolutely zero tweets or info have been dessimated by dnegs as he is the face of this company, i know he is a company man but come on .
as for Koon, he specifically got hired for some integrity council bullshit and here we are. crickets
I would like to defecate on the roof of Jason Koon's car at the next WSOP
Did Koon release a statement yet?
Where's Galfond? Didn't he build a site for this moment? Perfect marketing timing. The people trust Phil.
I think I read Galfond site is likely to be coming to a couple of states later this year.
As most people prob agree with it is a high likelyhood that there were other users than moneytaker69 who had access to the same information and were using it more sophisticately without getting caught. I know we got the statement from GG claiming that they fixed the bug that lead to this hack, but other than that do we have any reason to believe that there are not people still having access to real time equities that can use it to continue cheating? What evidence do we have that it is "safe" (relatively speaking) to play on GG again?
