Superuser Caught on GGPoker - "MoneyTaker69" Thread
User "MoneyTaker69" is alleged to be superusing on GG Poker.
In December, Moneytaker won at 90bb/100 on GG Poker in 8,900 hands playing 53% VPIP. Soon after, he binked a $150 Sunday MTT for $47,586 while playing an extremely volatile strategy, which aroused a lot of suspicion. GG Poker has acknowledged the situation privately and is preparing to address it, but it's important for the public to know immediately due to the significance of superusing.
The Results
The following results graph comes from Smarthand, a site that tracks online poker results. MoneyTaker won at 90bb/100 in December playing 53/17.
Typically, a player with this VPIP/PFR ratio would be in the -50bb/100 range. Even if we were impossibly generous and said he was breakeven, this run would be a statical anomaly. For a -50bb recreational? Impossible.
Here is a primedope simulation of the probability of a breakeven player having this run.
The following is a simulation of possible runs for a player with a given winrate using primedope's variance calculator. The light blue line at the top of the graph represents the "Best" run, which is the luckiest run a person could have in 1,000 trials.
This is a -50bb player playing 9000 hands. Their luckiest run is around -10 buyins. Mokeytaker won 77 buy-ins.
Additionally, MoneyTaker won a $150 GG Masters Sunday MTT, which is a big open field tournament. This makes the possibility of chip dumping or targeting specific players with a virus much less likely.
The Hands
The following hands were collected by various users as examples of likely foul play.
How is he cheating?
Based off his play, the most natural explanation is that he can see the cards. He rarely puts in money significantly behind or calls the river with the worst hand. Also, his winrate is so high that RTA could not possibly explain it.
It's unclear how he's able to see others' cards, and it's possible he's not the only one exploiting a glitch in the system. A post on 2+2 highlighted a group of suspicious accounts that played for brief stints and won for >30bb/100, which is particularly difficult on GG due to their rake structure.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...
There is no clear evidence that the players highlighted in the above post are superusing, but it's not unreasonable to suspect that this could be a larger issue at scale if done by hackers that want to be less obvious than running >50% VPIP.
Hacker Group
"MoneyTaker" is a hacker group. It's unclear if this account is in any way associated with them or if it's just incidental, but worth mentioning.
What's Next?
As a community, we await GG Poker's response. I'm confident they'll do the right thing and share everything they know about this incident shortly.
I've corrected the second link here. I just got on the wait list at the tables when he was online and waited, it was all today.
When ABX23 breaks the seating at the tables, in the lobby it will look like this (it's not a good moment, because there's only heads up). Players who are on the waiting list will not be seated at the tables automatically.
This is a bug in the software. You can exploit it too. Just wait with the table open, even if there is a waiting list, and the moment somebody leaves snapclick the open seat.
It’s over… GG will survive another day. But this won’t be for very long.
I imagine the next scandal will be something similar to a Black Friday part II.
They are shady, they are suspicious, it’s stinking real hard at this point. There is no way everything will be perfectly fine for the next 3 years.
Maybe by bribing more they can extend their dominance. But nothing is forever.
Its far far from over and people will continue to play there dont worry.
people still playing this disgusting unsafe site with the highest rake and a deceptive rakeback programme which says you're getting 40% but after PVI its only 10%... OK, be my guest, but please stop bitching. If you want to jump into a sewer thats fine, but dont expect sympathy or understanding when you come out and complain that you're smelly.
GGPoker is hiring staff. Just read a job offer
people still playing this disgusting unsafe site with the highest rake and a deceptive rakeback programme which says you're getting 40% but after PVI its only 10%... OK, be my guest, but please stop bitching. If you want to jump into a sewer thats fine, but dont expect sympathy or understanding when you come out and complain that you're smelly.
If you manage to get around all the bots and RTA users GG will probably just close your account anyway.
to think someone/multiple people had superuser status for weeks/months and was only able to steal 29k and win one donkamat is idiotic.
This is a bug in the software. You can exploit it too. Just wait with the table open, even if there is a waiting list, and the moment somebody leaves snapclick the open seat.
that doesn't mean people haven't programmed software to monitor multiple tables and to click the open seat in a millisecond, thus gaining an unfair advantage.
And has everyone forgotten about GangsterGangster's "little" superuser bug? What will be their next one? 300 thousand donkeys playing there
I think GangsterGangster is that user making a ‘humerous’ play on GG. Might be wrong though b
yep, winning player who withdraws money? Get kicked out for "bumhunting". **** that site!
That's what concerns me the most. Not that they had a security leak, but the fact it got noticed for such a long time by their security, they had a player making 90bb/100 and no alarm bells rang, while a lot of people get kicked out of GGpoker for reasons they themself don't know, sometimes for bumhunting.
I think Bumhunting would be harder to detect than just insane winrates like 90bb/100. It makes me wonder if foul play is in order from the site itself.
We had a post on this thread 8 or 9 days ago flagging other highly suspicious users with crazy results since June 2023. I’ve been waiting to report them ever since, but none of them have been in the pool since this post was made. Lying low? Have GG been closing down these cheating accounts? Or is this simply coincidence..
GG should come out with a fuller statement that they investigated and cleaned things up or whatever, unless it is insiders and they have too much to hide.
That's what concerns me the most. Not that they had a security leak, but the fact it got noticed for such a long time by their security, they had a player making 90bb/100 and no alarm bells rang, while a lot of people get kicked out of GGpoker for reasons they themself don't know, sometimes for bumhunting.
I think Bumhunting would be harder to detect than just insane winrates like 90bb/100. It makes me wonder if foul play is in order from the site itself.
That's what concerns me, if they can't catch such an obvious cheater are we really to believe that they are preventing people from collusion/sharing hole cards, for example?
So have GGPoker just made tha blog post about 20k being refunded and then moved on from this?
There is 100% multiple millions of $ that has been cheated from the midstakes community and they are just going to hope this goes away?
What is the next step for mtt players who have been clearly robbed here? Are there any regulator that can step in and get us reimbursed? If not is it plausible to go down the legal route and have solicitors look at this?
What is the next step for mtt players who have been clearly robbed here? Are there any regulator that can step in and get us reimbursed? If not is it plausible to go down the legal route and have solicitors look at this?
There is no legal route sir.
The next step: stop playing on GG
Yeah people are running around looking for recourse, statements, and guarantees of safety. But there’s only one real answer
But it’s possible to win anyway or perhaps one is having fun regardless, then by all means keep at it. Just don’t act surprised at the next one
