whats's the point of playing anymore...........
with so many exhibits of pure cheating / collusion / shadiness
whats the point in a randon Joe depositing money and playing
yes the avergae joe does read forums, or look online about the shadiness of each aand individular site, so how will they ever know about the cheating and shadiness that is within these walls
Pokerstars sent me a 50 question (or so) questionnaire, what will make me play play more/on their site/bonuses etc
who really wants to play knowing this **** is out there and they allow it ?
i want a screen name change every 3 months minimum
so many scandals nowadays it really is not worth taking the risk
I genuinely believe most regs that play don't actually like poker. Or they don't like what poker really is. They like the idea of making easy money, or freedom, but they can't stand the variance, can't stand losing pots to bad players, can't stand the grind, can't stand difficult runouts, can't stand it. They sit there at the table with sullen looks on their faces and throw their cards in the muck in anger and leave in a huff and are generally just shitty people to be around. Maybe they continue
What poker really is supposed to be is a fun social game.
Online that's never happening so I don't find it fun at all.
Way too many live regs don't understand what poker is supposed to be and suck every ounce of fun out of it.
I completely agree if people can't handle variance in poker they shouldn't play. If it wasn't for variance poker wouldn't exist at all.
It’s odd how miserable most players are at the tables. Like when a dealer sits down and introduces himself and tries to get the table to respond. Crickets at times
It’s fascinating how unhinged people get about losing a hand.
LOL there's so much more cheating in private live games than in casino or online, how do you not know this? so dellusional.
It’s odd how miserable most players are at the tables. Like when a dealer sits down and introduces himself and tries to get the table to respond. Crickets at times
It’s fascinating how unhinged people get about losing a hand.
As a dealer and former poker pro I will never understand this. There are reg pros who play everyday who still get upset every time they lose a hand. Do they not understand how poker works?
I see only one reason to play online presently. To sharpen your game for live.
Fair points but I’d also say that the people who never get upset at losing are either sunrunning their dicks off or ****ed in the head.
20 minutes in the best take on the whole RTA problem which is a non issue.
The real problem with trainers is that it ll make players so good that the average rec will go from losing 5-10-15bb/100, to 30+
20 minutes in the best take on the whole RTA problem which is a non issue.
The real problem with trainers is that it ll make players so good that the average rec will go from losing 5-10-15bb/100, to 30+
Its a trash take. Someone using RTA is likely screen scaping and automating the input of cards, pulling out the responses onto an overlay, seeing in real time and acting or automating the action. The person click, click, clicking, is he really this clueless?
Its a trash take. Someone using RTA is likely screen scaping and automating the input of cards, pulling out the responses onto an overlay, seeing in real time and acting or automating the action. The person click, click, clicking, is he really this clueless?
It's not a trash take at all, hardly anybody is going to bother doing all of that to win at low stakes and even if they did, a suddenly new player winning at 15-20+bb/100 or some player who was break even starting to win at 10+bb/100 would be extremely easy to detect.
The site could simply ask them to record themselves playing and that would give it away or you can just manually input the hand into GTO wizard and it'll say if the hand has been looked up.
All the good players know each other at every stake, so some new crusher (one who wouldn't talk), would ring alarm bells.
It's not a trash take at all, hardly anybody is going to bother doing all of that to win at low stakes and even if they did, a suddenly new player winning at 15-20+bb/100 or some player who was break even starting to win at 10+bb/100 would be extremely easy to detect.
The site could simply ask them to record themselves playing and that would give it away or you can just manually input the hand into GTO wizard and it'll say if the hand has been looked up.
All the good players know each other at eve
Sorry, but BJD is closer to reality then you. That is the whole problem, sites are not putting in the effort and money to effectively curtail this enough for it to make a significant difference to the poker community. Yes, they are catching some here and there, but there is a lot of data that support the fact that this is fairly widespread. It is prevalent at lower stakes where there is a ton of action and they can play several tables at a time. Have you been reading 2+2 for the last few months?
I think it would be better than something like wsop bc youd have sports betting drunks. But far from a gold rush
Old bodog was amazing.
But another reason games on bodog were so good was the 3 table max.
For the OP- imo I think online these days is filled with collusion RTA etc. Nothing to me is fun about it. I've consistently won in live 5/5 to 10/25 plo games at a very good rate.
Online in public games I'm a small winner the last couple of years and basically play to get reps if I haven't playe
Borg care to share your wsop/borgata screenames? 😀
I'm gonna go ahead and guess that you are audidriver/deposit 😀
Sorry, but BJD is closer to reality then you. That is the whole problem, sites are not putting in the effort and money to effectively curtail this enough for it to make a significant difference to the poker community. Yes, they are catching some here and there, but there is a lot of data that support the fact that this is fairly widespread. It is prevalent at lower stakes where there is a ton of action and they can play several tables at a time. Have you been reading 2+2 for the last few months?
How do you know this???
https://play.globalpoker.com/hand/6b44fd...
No way to play through 1 or 2 of those every 300 hands at most. Along with battling against everything else we have to today. I can't even play anymore. The outcome is going to be a net loss ultimately no matter what I do. I mean, now 95%+ equity isn't even something you can feel good about.
Seriously considering just logging off here and never depositing again. This is a joke.
i dnt even know anymore, sites dont even have the capabilities to run the games (servers crash consistantly when big mtts come around)
They have software for chess.com that can detect cheating even at the grand master level. For this reason, I think it would be reasonable for software to be able to catch poker players cheating using RTA. Even at the highest levels, players are not GTO robots, so a player cheating after several hands would become quite noticeable. Especially if they start playing too perfectly.
I think PokerStars is pretty good. BetOnline has been good as well. I suspect PokerStars is safer than BetOnline, but who knows. I played live poker at the casino awhile back and the rake there was ridiculous. I even entered a tournament where the house took 25%. I doubt many are making a profit playing in a game like that. The cash games had these annoying jackpots that you had to pay into every hand as well as a 10% rake. Yeah, I think I'll stick to PokerStars with the 5% rake and 33% rakeback thank you. I played live to prepare me for the WSOP as I have little experience live. It was fun to play and chat with the other players, but if you want to make more money, I think online is definitely the way to go. You get more hands per hour and significantly less rake. Just my 2 cents.
Poker is not dead.
I'm not saying i do but I find it highly unbeliveable that sites are taking no action at all to remedy these problems. I'm sure they have teams working on it trying to figure out solutions... this isn't going to be solved overnight.
I think every site is different and views their bottom line from a different perspective. Some sites might see value in the integrity and image of their site and will aggressively pursue bots, multi accounting etc. or they have a LEGITIMATE license which could be in jeopardy if they turn a blind eye. Other sites might not see their business model as a long term sustainable business and view bots as a good way to start games and bring liquidity to their site. Thus they will invest less money in trying to deter this kind of play. All just my opinion tho
I also think it would not be super tough to detect. You could program a bot to detect a whole slew of red flags then have a team that reviews each case individually. It would end up becoming a system similiar to blackjack where bots (people) start making -ev plays (bets) in an effort to steer the bots attention away from the poker site (casino cameras). So at the bare minimum it would ensure botters program in a way that is sometimes -ev in an effort to appear human
The real problem with trainers is that it ll make players so good that the average rec will go from losing 5-10-15bb/100, to 30+
This is impossible.
If the recs get better and play strategies that are close to unexploitable, then everyone will be close to the same in ability and everyone will lose to the rake, on average.
There will of course be wide differences in individual results, because variance.
