*** May 2024 High Stakes Thread ***

Why isn't there a discussion thread in NVG for the high stakes hands happening on cash game live streams??

Those games and players are the new FTP/PS high stakes arenas for getting constant daily hand histories in the USA imo

I guess some of them are just not as interesting as some of the more well known online pros like BERRI, LLinus, Stefan, Limitless, etc...

Me personally, i find the streams from hustlers annoying...

I will admit my mindset is skewed to being a bit elitist when comparing those live streams to the online grinders....not sure how others feel when consuming high stakes content

i also prefer learning from actual pros and not just crypto scammers

When i do watch some of the streams, its usually when jungleman or dwan are playing and i try to avoid the streams that have airball and his friends

There are lots of cash game shows/streams these days outside of Hustler putting on events. Some of your favorite online guys play on the Triton shows and they do a mix of live stream and produced style content they upload.

I used to be a big online vs live elitist as well but online in America where people are watching the best players battle doesn't exist anymore so I've been paying more attention to the new world of live cash game shows that keeps getting bigger. Feels like there is a lot of potential in that area to create competitions to see who the best players are and if online poker returns - those shows will be bigger than ever.

You can use a site like highrollpoker.com to see who the biggest winners are on each show and pay attention to how those people play if you're looking to get better. The way live games typically work can be very different than how the online poker battles typically work so it's a lot different game. I'm a much bigger fan of HU and short handed battles as well but for some reason most of the live content is all the same full ring. I have started finding it interesting seeing how and why the biggest winners are the biggest winners on these live shows. Lots of these guys are "pros" in another arena. It's like HSDB or PTR back in the day where we realized Phil Ivey graph went straight up and this guy had to be a god. Being able to know who is actually winning is what poker is all about.

because watching well-connected shitreg live pros and whales play like crap isnt interesting

If American live low stakes players who play 28/14/6 want to talk about that stuff they can do it on reddit

I don't think you get straight line graphs up by being shitregs no matter the arenas you are in - there are definitely outliers but I do agree it's a different type of competition vs gto online high stakes players battling to see who the king of the hill is while mixing in wales/fish - it's not that dissimilar but I do find some of these live player results I'm seeing impressive. Being able to get in the games is also a big skill but there are more live streams popping up everyday and more to come.

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apart from the special occasions mentioned above by damian i only watch some of the live stream clips that pop up in my feed and that seems to be enough for me. the action is too slow, the conversations are mostly boring and a lot of the players are annoying. but then again, i've never railed online games either (except for Isildur vs the world obviously), so perhaps it's just not for me.

what are some of the players you're impressed by?

I don't watch much of the entire streams themselves unless I am studying a specific player but I do follow the results and check out some of the hands played - I would be interested in the best hands similar to somehow how this thread is because there are a lot of fun hands getting played on the shows. Lots of value if you're investing in the players on stream being able to estimate EV in teh different lineups

The players who are winning the most that have been standing out to me

Andrew Robl
LudaCris for his insane results
Alex from The Lodge loves to battle deep stacks
Action Dan has been battling anyone
BrownBalla is lowkey crusher
Henry The King from HCL

The new games on Bally's have some better players from watching some of the recent short handed games as well

This site has the data similar to statme, HSDB, PTR: https://highrollpoker.com/tracker/player...

I am a live pro with a straight up graph of half a mil over the last 2.5 years in games tougher than any of these live streams at lower stakes. I'd say it's 50-50 whether I could make $40/hr online on public sites. I know I'm not that good, I come here to see great players, I'm not impressed by these live results. Take any winning 50nl reg and give them the personality and political skills necessary to get in those games and they'll have the same "impressive" results you're seeing. I couldn't be any less impressed by people who succeed in curated private stream games except by the handful who are or were genuinely good online pros

Might as well post 5nl hands itt if you wanna see that quality of play

I was just thinking how cool it would be to create a site that would collect money from fans to buy a PPV event of their fauvorite players playing deep-stacked cash game against each other. And the carrot for the pros for revealing their play would be that they would get x% share of the income everytime someone buys a match they are involved in.

The sicker the level of play, the more people would be interested. This would also very quickly eliminate boring playstyles from live streams.

Joey you would propably have connections to pull this off and create the best poker content product put there.

Imagine a 4-max cash game with 4 world’s best players. I would propably pay 50-100 dollars for event like this.

I did watch and save a Triton stream a while back with Rui Cao. It was fun watching an OG such as himself play live

They all probably played as many hands combined all time on these streams as some of online top guys playing in one session. You can't have serious discussion about guy winning 10-15 buy-ins in 167 hours. It's like calling main event champion best player ever.

The super deep live cash games is completely different environment than the 40-100 bb online cash games.

I still think many of the top online regiulars would murder in these games but some of the weaker regulars who are not used to playing deep-stacked would be lost in many spots.

One guy who has really impressed me is the kid playing on Balley’s streams, forgot his name but he plays very beautiful deep-stack live poker. Super exploitative, super aggressive.

A big issue for me why i would never watch american live streamed games are that they are so incredibly uncompetetive. Whenever i have watched, the recreationals are usually some cringy borderline scammer that never shut up. The regs? Yeah usually the either run the games or somehow get to decide who plays and refuse to let any crushers play or even anyone remotely good.

The triton cash games are on the other hand quite fun. I think the main issue why they are not as popular is that it's usually released months after the game was played. These games are also happening to rarely I think to create some type of fan base/hype or whatever.

*action dan has been battling a select few live regs who wouldn't stand a chance if the game was public.

Isildur was battling anyone

I agree this is the biggest problem with live streams. You need recreationals who are brave enough to battle with 5-7 professionals. Lodge has done good job in their nose bleed streams to have very competitive games with max 1-2 recreationals in the mix.

I think this is the way forward. One way to get the recreationals more willing to play in tougher line ups ciyld be that each pro would have a bounty on their head and if the recreational is able to bluff them, they win extra money. This could also create an interesting dynamic to the game because the rec is encouraged to bluff more.

I’m sure there would be many other ways too, I think alot of these live streams lack creativity on how to make the recs feel more like they are somethibg else than just food for the predators.

wonder where daniil has been these last few days havent seen him around

seems like a bank holiday today

ItÂ’s just a totally different game. Mikita plays 33/11, because itÂ’s the best way to make money in those games. But itÂ’s just not that interesting.
Even online 6max, the dynamic changes a lot, if you play a table with a whale. It eliminates so many spots, that could be interesting.

9max sucks ass who wants to watch that boring ****

PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $50/$100 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Pokeit

uwintakeit (UTG): $15,830.02 (158 bb)
AmSoGood (MP): $20,271.35 (203 bb)
gavz101 (CO): $10,000.00 (100 bb)
Aku1206 (BU): $27,865.15 (279 bb)
24kgilded (SB): $15,650.95 (157 bb)
omaha4rollz (BB): $35,013.56 (350 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($150)
2 players fold, gavz101 (CO) raises to $350, 2 players fold, omaha4rollz (BB) calls $250

Flop: ($750) 5♠ 4♠ 5♦ (2 players)
omaha4rollz (BB) bets $400, gavz101 (CO) calls $400

Turn: ($1,550) 4♣ (2 players)
omaha4rollz (BB) bets $1,258.75, gavz101 (CO) calls $1,258.75

River: ($4,067.50) T♣ (2 players)
omaha4rollz (BB) bets $4,062.50, gavz101 (CO) raises to $7,991.25 (all-in), omaha4rollz (BB) calls $3,928.75

Total pot: $20,050 (Rake: $5)

Showdown:
gavz101 (CO) shows T♠ Q♠ 4♥ 8♥ (a full house, Fours full of Tens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 55%, Flop: 1%, Turn: 0%, River: 0%)

omaha4rollz (BB) shows K♦ 6♦ 4♦ 5♣ (a full house, Fives full of Fours)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 45%, Flop: 99%, Turn: 100%, River: 100%)

omaha4rollz (BB) wins $20,045

It's not only about the recreational vs rec ratio. It's about having recreationals that are trying to win. I think its overlooked but I feel like sometimes viewers doesnt understand the skill level of recs. Some of the asian guys are pretty good in the triton games i.e Paul Phua. Another example Neymar is also pretty good. There used to be this japanese legendary trader cis_san6889 or smth on stars that could actually legit opensit $25/50 during certain hours. Not saying this to be hating, but some of the american recs (the lodge included) seem like the recs borderline knows the rules and it's just awkward to watch. Bill perkins is another rec that clearly is pretty good and understand poker on a pretty high level.