VIEW: People are too dependent on solvers
People are putting in a lot of work with solvers but aren’t grasping the rationale behind the solver recommendations. It seems everyone makes a play because it’s “solver approved” or “what the solver says” instead of considering WHY the solver says that.
This severely limits people as it is impossible to memorize every solver approved play you might encounter, but understanding the rationale for why the solver recommends it affords you the flexibility and adaptability necessary for a winning session.
Having phones up at the table at all needs to be banned these days (especially if you use privacy shield - huge red flag imo). Too easy to input stacks and get perfect ICM advice instantly.
to be honest... ANY electronic device.
Theres definitely going to be more and more cases and it will reach critical mass where TDs will have to make some decisions to curb it. But that hasnt happened yet.
For the time being, everyone should keep an eye out on people when they are on their phones mid tournament. Especially if they are clearly taking note of the stack sizes around the table while on their phone.
Lmao his reason for having it open is def sus
“I was transferring my subscription to my roommate”
Uhh what
There was a second case of this from the Orleans. Only 2 days into wsop, wonder how many ppl have been using but not caught yet
I'm confused by that tweet.
The dealer is right next to the player. Can't she tell him to get off his phone?
It was in-between hands, for sure no cell phones during your live hand.
I haven't played an event yet this year at WSOP, I think you can use your phone when not in a hand.
Then I don't see why someone would be calling him out for looking at GTOWiz when the guy on his phone isn't even playing in a hand.
Lmao his reason for having it open is def sus
“I was transferring my subscription to my roommate”
Uhh what
There was a second case of this from the Orleans. Only 2 days into wsop, wonder how many ppl have been using but not caught yet
Probably one person gets caught for every 100 using it. To get caught someone has to actually see you who knows what it is and then has to make a stink about it. A lot of people don't like confrontation.
As the technology improves this is going to be a bigger and bigger issue.
I think in cash games it's hard to police. Dealers work on cash tips. They piss off players at the table they make less money.
In tournaments being dealt out is an actual penalty. At some point they're gonna have to ban phones and tablets from tournaments.
You can't use a phone at the table when you play blackjack and dealers everywhere enforce that. This is no different.
huh.. you should be able to check whatever the f you want if you’re not in a hand though?
it seems like people think reviewing spots inbetween hands is cheating lol
Allowing solver/solution usage in between hands allows for someone to fold UTG1 at 15bb and then immediately look at their device for a solution for how they think they should be playing the next hand from UTG... you absolutely do not want to open this can of worms.
"Outside assistance" while seated at a table should have been banned years ago when people started using apps to solve for Nash shove ranges, it's completely idiotic that it wasn't.
You SHOULDN'T be able to check things in between hands on an MTT, this is insane...
There are strategic considerations that have to do with payout structure and stack distribution that are part of the game and solving them between hands is cheating.
On a cash game it wouldn't really be cheating but should be disallowed anyway as it's poor etiquette to whip out a ****ing solver at the table where there are people that don't even know what it is and will feel cheated.
Allowing solver/solution usage in between hands allows for someone to fold UTG1 at 15bb and then immediately look at their device for a solution for how they think they should be playing the next hand from UTG... you absolutely do not want to open this can of worms.
"Outside assistance" while seated at a table should have been banned years ago when people started using apps to solve for Nash shove ranges, it's completely idiotic that it wasn't.
Honestly I hadn't thought of that (shows you how often I play MTTs).
In these I would change my stance that checking in between hands shouldn't be allowed.
Even online cash it seems ridiculous to be looking at a solver for any reason while you're playing
Allowing that would likely make RTA enforcement more difficult, and the whole way you learn from solvers is extrapolating to other spots so it would still be big advantage
No you shouldn't. It's absurd and absolutely will be banned within a few years.
You're supposed to be using your brain at the table not electronic devices to make decisions.
Nothing has been done about it because it hasn't become a huge problem YET. Casinos don't really care bc it's not impacting their bottom line but when enough people are complaining it's going to get changed.
You could also make an argument it's actually technically illegal in Nevada specifically.
You're the one being redicilous.
You think every single hand someone should be able to input their stack size, position etc and have the aid of electronic device?
People really want to create a race to the bottom in poker.
The grossest part about it is the kinds of people doing stuff like this are just poker cancers in every facet of the game. Pure parasites. They're not even that good at poker,just good enough to eek out a small living having to suck out any drop of ev they can in the short run no matter how absurd it is.
I hope that guy from the picture has been playing backed for a decade.
What you do between hands is your business
An easy solution is to make note of a scenario you want to look up. On break or when you step away from the table, pull it up on Wizard and then return to the action. Any use of GTO Wizard or preflop ranges should be forbidden at the table, but anywhere away from the table do your thing.
It removes the risk of an assumption of cheating from innocent players (which I'm sure plenty are) and it eliminates the opportunity to cheat from players with malicious intentions.
What's the point of making a rule if that rule is uninforceable?
You cannot enforce a no-RTA-between-hands rule unless you make it a no-phones-at-all rule; and the latter is simply not going to happen.
