View: Beginners should spend 100% of their time on study

View: Beginners should spend 100% of their time on study

Hi all, this topic recently came up among friends. I am a winning 500NL player on Bovada (4.1BB/100 over 270k hands). When I first started, I was losing at 5NL until I spent 2 months studying the game (GTOWizard + MDA), focusing on the 12 nodes of the game tree (SRP/3BP/4BP IP/OOP preflop Caller/Raiser).

I have a beginner friend who’s played around 25k hands at 5NL. Hes just hired a coach, who’s advised him that he should play 70-80% of the time. This seems wrong to me.

If you could go back in time and be a beginner, or you were teaching a beginner, how would you go about learning to move up in stakes? I think my journey was pretty optimal and would recommend this for most.

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19 June 2024 at 10:26 PM
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GTO legend Johan/MDMA’s method when he coached Ike and other HSNL heroes was he would have the student run the mouse and he would tell them what to do.

When I have helped friends beat some rake free home they have been getting crushed in, I modify MDMA’s approach and always play with them at the same table in a poker room and critique them on bathroom/smoke breaks. MDMA figured out the best coaching method hands down for online/live back in 2005/6 and it produces winning results the fastest.

Yes, the autists will always do better locking themselves in a room like Linus and studying non-stop but unless you are one it won’t be as effective.


by Lionelhuttz k

GTO legend Johan/MDMA’s method when he coached Ike and other HSNL heroes was he would have the student run the mouse and he would tell them what to do.

Oh great, now this is about to devolve into another "scammer and a thief" thread.

😀


Beginners should play much more than they study because the first thing beginners need to figure out is whether they actually enjoy the game enough to take it more seriously.


by NickMPK k

Beginners should play much more than they study because the first thing beginners need to figure out is whether they actually enjoy the game enough to take it more seriously.

After you have your first two maybe three hundred terabytes of solves, maybe after two three months goes by, you can learn what beats what. Understanding hand rankings will improve your ability to interpret poker related data.


Not getting yourself into very flawed thought processes early on is key. Solvers probably not the way, a beginner won't even understand what he/she is seeing. Playing slightly better but still bad. A coach or, better still, a mentor that teaches you straightaway something simple still solid that beats uNL, including explaining all major important concepts, then going and playing and seeing if you enjoy while your mentor keeps advising you, IMHO is what I would like to have done in my own beginnings. Being able to find a good and knowledgeable and trustworthy mentor while being a beginner, not sure if I could have done it tho.


Beginners should not study at all. They should have fun playing a social game and learn over time.


When I started, I used Wilson software, which is,no longer around.

Nice,to play massive,amount of fairly realistic hands in short period of time. And,value,of,position

Got me,used,to playing tight although didnt,condition for,the,boredom

Flop, turn and river are,lifetime,to learn

Sorry for all the,commas


When I started playing I didnt know all the best hands but figured it out over time.

Is Gto wizard named after an actual wizard? You know how for example there was an actual colonel Sanders for KFC or wendys was a real girl? Is it named after an actual person like piosolver or is it just a stock non descript wizard?


What are you smoking?


by Parasense k

What are you smoking?

Youll have to forgive me. I am at a table, and my thought process in regards to that post was limited. I will temporarily see myself out. 😀


by spaceman Bryce k

When I started playing I didnt know all the best hands but figured it out over time.

Is Gto wizard named after an actual wizard? You know how for example there was an actual colonel Sanders for KFC or wendys was a real girl? Is it named after an actual person like piosolver or is it just a stock non descript wizard?

GTO wizard is an acronym for Gandalf The Overpowered Wizard. Gandalf was known to play in the shire card games with the hobbits and he was known to play exceptionally well. The creators of GTO wizard named it this in order to honor his memory.


by spaceman Bryce k

When I started playing I didnt know all the best hands but figured it out over time.

Is Gto wizard named after an actual wizard? You know how for example there was an actual colonel Sanders for KFC or wendys was a real girl? Is it named after an actual person like piosolver or is it just a stock non descript wizard?

by spaceman Bryce k

Youll have to forgive me. I am at a table, and my thought process in regards to that post was limited. I will temporarily see myself out. 😀

I kinda of appreciate the effort. In fact, I wonder if we're not missing a segment of the poker market – namely, the boomers – by not naming a solver "Little GTO."


TY, willbury twist. And yes both you, me, and live poker theory all agree the poker software market us still underserved.

From my point of view my posts in this thread contain a number of excellent points. Even in that post, it is true that when I originally played poker I did not know what beats what. I was confused by the ordering of straights, flushes, and full houses. That sounds incredibly stupid but you have to remember people who took up poker in 2004 didnt neccessarily think about it much at first. Strip poker, Texas hold em were played bexause they were Fun. These were social games.

Second, A lot of people are unaware that piosolver is named after the great Piotr or that colonel sanders is a real person. I obviously use different poker software than gto wizard. I was hoping that perhaps it was named after somone like the great Bobby Hoff, often know as the wizard.


by TheGodson k

GTO wizard is an acronym for Gandalf The Overpowered Wizard. Gandalf was known to play in the shire card games with the hobbits and he was known to play exceptionally well. The creators of GTO wizard named it this in order to honor his memory.

He just seems overpowered by conventional magician standards. In the long run he always loses to Gandalf the optimal wizard. Im still glad they honored his memory tho RIP.


by Antonellicarpc k

Can anyone winning at NL50+ weigh in on this?

I’m very surprised how negative a lot of these comments seem to be, especially considering the state of the game. I agree with bots being everywhere, but there are still plenty of fish about!

Don’t ask the internet if you want a high concentration of high level players answering (this is not exclusive to poker).

The rest of the population will outnumber them.

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