A true amateur will never win the Main Event
Someone like Moneymaker/Raymer/Gold/Yang will never win the Main Event. The caliber of play is too strong, and too many smart tough players are using GTO strategy.
We saw in the heads-up how Griff, despite having the chip lead, was badly outplayed. Heads-up NLHE has been solved by computers, and Tamayo has GTO down to a science.
One can argue that it's bad for poker, as poker needs a charismatic likable amateur (and/or a woman!) to win the Main Event in order to experience another poker boom.
OK. I'll bite.
1. Never is a long time.
2. It's supposed to be prestigious, not a lottery. When pros win, it validates the "game of skill" idea.
3. There was a record-setting field this year. Poker is already booming.
OK. I'll bite.
1. Never is a long time.
2. It's supposed to be prestigious, not a lottery. When pros win, it validates the "game of skill" idea.
3. There was a record-setting field this year. Poker is already booming.
Remko mentioned in a Run it Back episode that he would like the Main to have a faster structure so that an amateur would win and it would be "good for the game".
Anyway, I am so glad pokergo has a monopoly on all things poker now.
Griff is an amateur and made it heads up. At one point, he had a very healthy chip lead. Had his middle pair improved to a set, he would have won.
Literally one hand away from winning it all had the cards gone his way but now you think an amateur will “never win?”
rofl at thinking playing GTO in a shallow ish HU match guarantees a win vs an amateur, you have an edge sure, still lose a decent amount if the time
The WSOP Main Event field size is a poor indicator of the health of the poker ecosystem. The ME is booming. Poker is not.
As long as its not declining, which it isnt, theres nothing to complain about.
The fact that poker is even posting slightly improving numbers despite the non existant efforts of organizers to get younger demographics into the game is amazing. The game will always live on its own because its simply the best game to mix skill and gambling out there. Anyone who has an affinity for gambling but understands the unavoidable -EV of slots and casino games will naturally be drawn to poker.
But the potential is hardly met. If WSOP or other organizers made even the slightest effort of making poker tournaments more attractive to young people (like buying people like Mr Beast or other big influencer into the WSOP just for the PR) there would be a massive influx of new players.
Griff is an amateur and made it heads up. At one point, he had a very healthy chip lead. Had his middle pair improved to a set, he would have won.
Literally one hand away from winning it all had the cards gone his way but now you think an amateur will “never win?”
As a matter of fact, he was fav to win when they shipped in 77 vs KT
Anyone can win any donkament
Someone like Moneymaker/Raymer/Gold/Yang will never win the Main Event...
THEY ALL DID
The caliber of play is too strong, and too many smart tough players are using GTO strategy...
THEY PARTLY KNOW GTO, BUT USE EXPLOITS
We saw in the heads-up how Griff, despite having the chip lead, was badly outplayed.
THEY OBV MADE A DEAL 3-HANDED
Heads-up NLHE has been solved by computers, and Tamayo has GTO down to a science.
THAT'S WHY HE ASKED HIS SIM-RUNNING RAIL ALL THE TIME...
One can argue that it's bad fo
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You're a buffoon, posting random nonsense about lots of things you dont understand.
The WSOP Main Event field size is a poor indicator of the health of the poker ecosystem. The ME is booming. Poker is not.
It's a good indicator of the POTENTIAL health of the poker ecosystem.
The problem is regulations, not lack of interest.
I still don't understand how USA could regulate poker the way they did. Isn't USA supposed to be "the land of the free, the home of the brave"?
Just let americans play on international sites and let people deposit as much money as they want and we would quickly get another boom.
We're never getting another poker boom like we had. People who weren't around poker back then don't understand how widespread poker was. Everywhere you went everyone was playing poker.
And everyone was terrible at it.
These days even most bad players have a decent amount of experience and are light years better than bad players back then.
You're just never gonna get that influx of tons of brand new players all at the same time again.
It's possible an amateur wins again it's just extremely unlikely. We've seen amateurs get deep.if everything breaks their way they can win.
It's a good indicator of the POTENTIAL health of the poker ecosystem.
The problem is regulations, not lack of interest.
I still don't understand how USA could regulate poker the way they did. Isn't USA supposed to be "the land of the free, the home of the brave"?
Just let americans play on international sites and let people deposit as much money as they want and we would quickly get another boom.
No you wouldn't.
People getting absolutely rinsed by players using RTA in games with no action doesn't lead to a boom.
This is a really bold take one day after a true amateur was literally a flip away from winning it.
Dumbest take on here in a while. OP you do realize the runner up in the main was an amateur ? And he was all in as the favorite with all the chips in the middle. Like wtf is this. Worst timed post ever.
Dumbest take on here in a while. OP you do realize the runner up in the main was an amateur ? And he was all in as the favorite with all the chips in the middle. Like wtf is this. Worst timed post ever.
It's impossible for an amateur playing 30bb (or whatever)poker to beat a well studied GTO player! It can never happen.
The WSOP Main Event field size is a poor indicator of the health of the poker ecosystem. The ME is booming. Poker is not.
It's not the mid 2000's, but Wynn, Aria, Orleans, MGM, Venetian, and a few others were running big tournament series for 6+ weeks along with the WSOP. Back then it was what, the Venetian, Palms, Orleans and those were much smaller tournaments than they are now. Circuit events are still strong, not as strong as the year after Covid, but live poker is pretty solid right now. Online is dead.
It's not the mid 2000's, but Wynn, Aria, Orleans, MGM, Venetian, and a few others were running big tournament series for 6+ weeks along with the WSOP. Back then it was what, the Venetian, Palms, Orleans and those were much smaller tournaments than they are now. Circuit events are still strong, not as strong as the year after Covid, but live poker is pretty solid right now. Online is dead.
Tournaments are definitely doing well.
Live public cash games are way smaller than they used to be and that's before accounting for inflation.
Someone like Moneymaker/Raymer/Gold/Yang will never win the Main Event. The caliber of play is too strong, and too many smart tough players are using GTO strategy.
We saw in the heads-up how Griff, despite having the chip lead, was badly outplayed. Heads-up NLHE has been solved by computers, and Tamayo has GTO down to a science.
One can argue that it's bad for poker, as poker needs a charismatic likable amateur (and/or a woman!) to win the Main Event in order to experience another poker boom.
I agree that Tomayo outplayed Griff heads up. If they played this final 100,000 he wo7ld when a large majority. But in this one matchup, the deck smashed Tomayo. Even with this Griff had Tomayo all in and behind.
So it definitely can still happen. It almost did last night.
Also, I am not positive, but I don’t think Qui Nguyen was a professional poker player. Maybe a professional gambler, but not a poker pro. But even if you consider him a poker pro, he definitely did not win using GTO. The best on the final table often do not win. Saw this with Qui but more so this year.
As long as non pros can reach the final table, and one or two seem to every year, there is a chance of one winning.
It's a good indicator of the POTENTIAL health of the poker ecosystem.
The problem is regulations, not lack of interest.
I still don't understand how USA could regulate poker the way they did. Isn't USA supposed to be "the land of the free, the home of the brave"?
Just let americans play on international sites and let people deposit as much money as they want and we would quickly get another boom.
Online will not be the driver of a new boom. At least not until online can solve the RTA and Bots and other cheating problems. .
It’s been a long time, but my memory is that Greg was making a decent percentage of his income from poker and had a ton of experience in medium buyin events at the time he won. Varkonyi would’ve been a much better name for what you were trying to say.
There have also been a whole lot of well known poker pros whose by far best skill was getting backed into poker tournaments.
