Cheating In The Main Event? Was Tamayo's WSOP ME Win Unethical?
Doug Polk has released a video showing Tamayo's rail clearly using a laptop for assistance. You can also see Joe McKeeha
The Main Event managing director looks horrific in this case, not even give any *** about what happens here...
Rules: use can’t have help from computers.
Picture/video shows guy using computers to have help.
WSOP don’t do anything. I can’t understand why they don’t follow their own rules.
Tomayo should be disqualified from the tournament he used computer help, simple as that. Just because the laptop wasn’t at his hands makes him less guilty ? He literally look at computer screen and did seek for help.
You guys discussing air pods etc whatever.
If the rules says “you can’t play with a hat” and you play with a hat, you should be disqualified.
What’s the reason for WSOP not applying their own rules ?
Banners??? The 3 of them should be in the HOF. The same team won twice in 10 years
It absolutely amazes me, decades in, that the WSOP rulebook is such trash. "we may penalize you up to disqualification / trespass in our sole and absolute discretion"... What kind of wishy washy bullshit is that? A rule that MAY have a penalty isn't a rule, it's a setup for the WSOP to play favorites.
It would be like the NFL penalty for holding being "5 yards and automatic first down, or 5 yards, or automatic first down, or 15 yards and a first down, or nothing at all."
A rule should define an act that's prohibited (or an act that is required), and have a specific result if the player does/doesn't do the prohibited/required act. Period.
If you are caught with a solver, you lose the hand and X blinds or whatever. If caught a 2nd time you're disqualified. Period. No exceptions no discretion.
Ali and Jake are allowed to play.
/thread.
I still don't get how Jake was purged from MTT scene while Bryn and Brewer weren't even tho all 3 were accused of the same thing at exactly the same time. I guess there are layers of scumbagery in poker.
Back on thread, nothing will happen about this years winner, WSOP will stay silent until next year when they will address this issue.
I still don't get how Jake was purged from MTT scene while Bryn and Brewer weren't even tho all 3 were accused of the same thing at exactly the same time. I guess there are layers of scumbagery in poker.
Back on thread, nothing will happen about this years winner, WSOP will stay silent until next year when they will address this issue.
Same reason Alex and Kristen Foxen can softplay and Chance Kornuth can pump fake bus chips against amateurs , then lead the charge for a poker blacklist against guys like Kahbrel, when no evidence was ever presented that he marked cards.
It’s only half about game integrity. Popularity and politics is the other half.
PokerNews has the allegations against Kahbrel on his profile but mentions nothing of the softplay accusations against Foxen on his.
Cheating will always be a problem in poker because even when everyone agrees it’s a problem, they’ll still defend cheaters they like over innocent players they dislike.
How is this geek not embarrassed?
Plenty poker nerds aren't embarrassed by their behavior over gain a short term edge for small amounts of money. They won't be embarrassed at all for 10m.
I have very little faith in wsop.com security but the hands these guys have played online should be looked at. No chance they aren't using RTA,colluding and ghosting.
Not when you want to keep celebrating, which pocketing the earbud would require not leaning on the pile.
Did not see video immediately ahead of this. Did Tomayo have earbud in then? (Def did at some time but asking about this moment). Was it there after celebration? Did McKeehen have his in immediately before?
Personally, I believe this earbud was McK. He would feel it coming out. Makes catching it easier. But I would not hand to someone. Just hold it in your hand. Easier to keep celebrating with in my hand than finding someone to hand to.
Imo this video while suspicious is not convincing. Now if earbuds, headphones, similar are banned at final table, I believe plenty of other evidence Tomayo broke that rule. If so, throw the book at him.
The laptop and its use on rail probably not against WSOP rules (but it will be next year). So WSOP probably can’t do much. The potential violation of NGC regs is separate issue. Someone hurt would need to bring to them probably. Still difficult to directly penalize player for something fine in/by rail.
Whole look is HORRIBAD imo. I suspect rules will directly address next year.
Same reason Alex and Kristen Foxen can softplay and Chance Kornuth can pump fake bus chips against amateurs , then lead the charge for a poker blacklist against guys like Kahbrel, when no evidence was ever presented that he marked cards.
It’s only half about game integrity. Popularity and politics is the other half.
PokerNews has the allegations against Kahbrel on his profile but mentions nothing of the softplay accusations against Foxen on his.
Cheating will always be a problem in poker bec
Poker is a game where the players need to police it themselves. Back in the old days they made holes in the desert. That might be a little excessive response to a pump fake but it’s up to that dude not to fall for it. Failing that he can address it in a manner of his choosing, not really up to community to dump a milkshake over someone’s head or whatever online community decides to dish out as punishment
And unless WSOP themselves find someone guilty of cheating they need to stay out of it.
I don’t get the outrage over the Foxens. They offered the chop, and they certainly not going to go after each other. The guy who foolishly declined put them in a tough spot.
As a purely recreational player who doesn’t have the time or inclination to study GTO/solvers I’ve cut back my online play for ‘fear’ of being up against bots/people using RTA/people who have studied and have their charts printed or displayed as they play.
Live should be 100% OPTAH and consulting your rail during play shouldn’t be a thing.
Chess players don’t get to wander off to talk to their seconds during a match.
Tennis players don’t get to be coached during a game.
Have a line between the pla
Actually coaching from stands in tennis is allowed.
As to chess, if game is put into break,(as happens in the biggest world camp hu matches) participant does all kinds of mid game simulations and consulting GMs)
Problem is with separation is that the very interaction you are preventung, whispering, pat on back, hugs, etc are the interactions the sponsors want. Also, even if player doesn’t have a phone, an earbud can be connected to one on the rail. So as long as earbud allowed at final table, cheating COULD be done.
Poker is a game where the players need to police it themselves. Back in the old days they made holes in the desert. That might be a little excessive response to a pump fake but it’s up to that dude not to fall for it. Failing that he can address it in a manner of his choosing, not really up to community to dump a milkshake over someone’s head or whatever online community decides to dish out as punishment
And unless WSOP themselves find someone guilty of cheating they need to stay out of it.
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They were upfront about he and he definitely should have taken an ICM chop.
But after he declined they were definitely colluding.
Did not see video immediately ahead of this. Did Tomayo have earbud in then? (Def did at some time but asking about this moment). Was it there after celebration? Did McKeehen have his in immediately before?
Personally, I believe this earbud was McK. He would feel it coming out. Makes catching it easier. But I would not hand to someone. Just hold it in your hand. Easier to keep celebrating with in my hand than finding someone to hand to.
Imo this video while suspicious is not convincing. Now if ea
No he didnt. After the last all in, we was standing on the rail with cameras circling him, no ear bud. I believe that one shot that looks like an earpiece is just light reflecting off his ears. His hood was up and down all night. McKeehen had his one ear bud in the whole time, except when it fell out during the celebration. Passing if off instead of pocketing it looks weird but also he is at the center of a mob surrounding Tamayo.
I think the most important thing to reiterate is that barring some new revelation with the ear buds, there was no assistance during the hands. The next question is what kind of assistance should a player have access to on the rail?
a player consulting a coach for general advice between hands - acceptable
a player consulting a ICM solve for PF ranges between hands - unacceptable
a player consulting a post flop solve between hands to review a prior hand - unacceptable
a player consulting a coach for PF ranges or to review a previous postflop spot between hands. - acceptable
a player consulting a coach for PF ranges or to review a previous postflop spot between hands, except that the coach has access to ICM solves PF ranges and a postflop solver. - unacceptable
When Jorstad won, his good friend Pads was back at home running sims and relaying the info to Jorstad's rail, who would have passed it along to Jorstad. Do people think that he is an illegitimate champ too? Maybe so if we knew about it at the time. We know about this situation because they were so open with it, having the laptop just sitting on the rail for the world to see.
They were upfront about he and he definitely should have taken an ICM chop.
But after he declined they were definitely colluding.
Obviously but that was point of post where I indicated the other guy was the fool and put them in the spot. Certainly their goal was to finish the 1/2. And there was to be no c/r all in with KQ by Kristen vs Alex
IMO a player consulting a coach or assistance during "play" (ie all time except breaks) should be prohibited. It is the most sound, simple rule that addresses basically all of this nonsense.
What a player does during breaks cannot be enforced, hence no rule there.
Can I go to that casino now (Horseshoe/Paris) and play roulette and sit with a laptop with ball tracker software 😀
Not if your name is Phil Ivey
