GGPoker killing the HS poker dream?

GGPoker killing the HS poker dream?

Recently it has come out that they are planning on making VIP games (5k+) invite only taking a path which many feared co

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31 October 2024 at 11:01 PM
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by bumpnrun k

Pretty sure you just mostly agreed with what I said? You have no desire to become a professional poker player right ?

I can speak for most recs in that applies to them as well. Certainly those over the age of 30 (either literally or in maturity/world outlook) the assumption from regs that all poker players wish they could pursue the poker dream and myopic and egotistical

I’m competitive as hell. On the golf course. If you are too …it doesn’t make sense that you would like to risk loads of money

I agreed in part, yes. But you were asserting that most recs don’t have the desire to play at that level and would rather play willy-nilly/half-ass and just have fun.

I disagree with that. As pointed out earlier, this seems like a caricature and stereotype of a rec player.

People, both regs and recs, are complex. Each have complex motivations, drive, and desires. You can’t just profile people based on your preconceived ideas of what makes them tick. It doesn’t work that way.


by DoyleBrunsonFan k

I’m not sure how people are supposed to follow the logic that all player pools are infested with cheating, but somehow magically this doesn’t infect the highest, most lucrative stakes to cheat at. I also don’t buy that someone cheating would be excommunicated for life or that there’s some inherent risk/reward ratio that negates the possibility of cheating. Both of these statements seem unlikely and hard to swallow.

Correct.
And the higher you play the more small edges from cheating add up. You don't have to be as dumb and greedy as Postle to make a lot of money cheating at high stakes.
Someone would have to be incredibly naive to think cheating isn't taking place at all stakes.


RIP .. VIP games tab gone from lobby and Elky + innerpsy open sitting the games


Also 2K games have same rake structure as 2K so with BBJ drop they are raked roughly 8bb/100 (near unbeatable without huge fish on table)


I think it's just a safety measure. Top regs complained about RTA, so they will "ban" (exclude) the most likely offenders "without a reason". 35% VPIP and Stand up game are two other measures to discourage RTA (also just increased action and fun to watch/play ofc.)

I am fairly certain that most if not all legit players will get to play in these games but we will see who and how many will complain.

If this theory has merit, then those complaining they were "unfairly exluded" are worth taking with a grain of salt.


man it sucks to open GG and see that 10/20 is the highest limit

where did you find a 50/100 table TL?

Edit: I see in screenshots a Tab that says Exclusive, which i dont have when i log in to GG. Should it be visible for everyone?


There is a new category called 'Exclusive' on top.

Did they just move the VIP games onto some other platform?


No I think that's it one table of 50/100 plo going, elky seems to be the only pro allowed, 25/50 is removed, the rake for 10/20 is the same as 5/10 a 1bb cap and 50/100 is 0.6bb cap and in plo 1.2 bb cap.


VPIP tables and Squid Games are not measures to prevent RTA (although that is the by-product), they are to make the game more gambly and to raise the rake.


by Slugant k

man it sucks to open GG and see that 10/20 is the highest limit

where did you find a 50/100 table TL?

Edit: I see in screenshots a Tab that says Exclusive, which i dont have when i log in to GG. Should it be visible for everyone?

I dont see that tab either in my client


Elky, man of the people! No wonder french people have a reputation.


I don't think they are going to get much action the way they set up the games with the min VPIP and the squid thing. Back in the Amaya days, they were constantly coming up with new cash formats to make it more casino like and they never got any traction. For the most part, people just want to play normal poker.


You would assume GG must have done a lot of research before making a drastic change like this, but it's hard to see how this is supposed to make them more money?

Not a single NL table running. No one even open sitting on a friday afternoon.

One table with 3 players at PLO. That's it.


by _jimbo_ k

I don't think they are going to get much action the way they set up the games with the min VPIP and the squid thing. Back in the Amaya days, they were constantly coming up with new cash formats to make it more casino like and they never got any traction. For the most part, people just want to play normal poker.

People, yes. The pros are definitely looking to get action up, there is basically no high stakes game in the world anymore that isn't straddled, stand up game and/or BB ante.


by Zamadhi k

You would assume GG must have done a lot of research before making a drastic change like this, but it's hard to see how this is supposed to make them more money?

Not a single NL table running. No one even open sitting on a friday afternoon.

One table with 3 players at PLO. That's it.

People probably already asked somewhere in here, but do you mind telling me how to view the new vip games now on client? I can't find it xd

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There is a new category called 'Exclusive' on top.

I can't find it in my client. Hopefully it's not some sort regulation thing in my client (allthough it wouldnt matter anyway)


I think regs are deluded with how much influence they have over these sites. GG making this move is a big **** you to any serious HS reg, "we don't need you guys, you need us"


by 8gameisfun k

I think it's just a safety measure. Top regs complained about RTA, so they will "ban" (exclude) the most likely offenders "without a reason". 35% VPIP and Stand up game are two other measures to discourage RTA (also just increased action and fun to watch/play ofc.)

American live regs who never played on GG complained on NVG about an imaginary RTA problem.


by 8gameisfun k

People, yes. The pros are definitely looking to get action up, there is basically no high stakes game in the world anymore that isn't straddled, stand up game and/or BB ante.

But that's not what I am saying. Ante and straddles are fines. Having penalties for not playing hands a certain way and other weird interventions just takes away from the game.

I do think this move is going to backfire but time will tell.


by KidCudi147 k

People probably already asked somewhere in here, but do you mind telling me how to view the new vip games now on client? I can't find it xd

I can't find it in my client. Hopefully it's not some sort regulation thing in my client (allthough it wouldnt matter anyway)

It seems like not everyone can see the Exclusive tab.



I don't get why people think the HS regs and sites are at some kind of holy war here.

Most of these people travel to events from GG, have met reps and probably made friends with them. They get the free rooms and the airport limo etc.

Of course these people are in communication, they get to actually talk to them in person.

by _jimbo_ k

But that's not what I am saying. Ante and straddles are fines. Having penalties for not playing hands a certain way and other weird interventions just takes away from the game.

I do think this move is going to backfire but time will tell.

Again, I am sure they haven't these very specific changes out of nowhere, they talk to people.

Additionally, these are not new, PokerBros and other apps have had these games for a long time (a long with min. hands played when winning etc.). They are popular amongst those who play day in day out. The same reason pros play with shot clocks in most high rollers now but plebs don't like it. You don't expect to have people not knowing the rules joining 25/50 nowadays anymore, so the ultra-fish don't have to be accounted for like they were in 2006 Party Poker.


Why is there no $ sign on the exclusive games, what's up with that?


by borg23 k

Correct.
And the higher you play the more small edges from cheating add up. You don't have to be as dumb and greedy as Postle to make a lot of money cheating at high stakes.
Someone would have to be incredibly naive to think cheating isn't taking place at all stakes.

Several people faithfully tried to explain it to you, but you ignored them. You’re a kyrie Irving type “the earth is flat and you’re all naive sheep”


Around 3:43h they are talking about the "squid" (prog stand up) in live poker and how it's basically the standard now (after the decline of popularity of short deck).


by Johnny Doe k

Why is there no $ sign on the exclusive games, what's up with that?

If it’s only house backed streamers and random fish that never played before, running it as play money sounds about right.


by Zamadhi k

It seems like not everyone can see the Exclusive tab.

i just noticed something weird

I can see the exclusive tab when im not logged in, but after I log in its vanished


Could it just be that they think recs are losing too quickly at 5k+ and want them to play 1k and the new 2k which they believe will generate more rake for them in the long run?

Action is dead at high stakes and I don't see it picking up. For all we know it could be the case that the invites are only extended to a select number of rec players who GG knows to have deep pockets. I think this might make sense from GG's perspective because they have to be making less from 5k+ specifically now.

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