GGPoker killing the HS poker dream?

No, it's dead now after the change. There has been basically nothing running despite there being supposedly few pros allowed in the games.

I could be wrong but I think it is more likely they are just trying to kill off the nosebleed games for the general population and get people playing 1k and 2k. They want to protect recs from losing too much at highstakes. If I had to guess their invite list just includes well known recs/pros who GG know to have deep pockets. The move just doesn't make sense otherwise as the rake they are making is now going to be a fraction of what it was before for 5k+ at least.

So have we heard of people who are excluded now yet that used ot play? That'd be valuable information to determine what the intention of this move really is.

High stakes games have died, traffic moving too nl2k which has the same rake as nl1k so they are still printing rake whilst keeping their fish alive longer

I can still click on any empty seat in the lobby (or open table) and sit there.
Or isnt this what you mean?

Well look at the big brain on Brett!!
Uh yeah that is how RTA has worked in 2024 in cases that I have followed in sites that I play on. Not everyone has a CPU farm like Norwich, computer genius. Btw do you split your hdmi before or after you split your range?
“It’s being worked on” yeah obviously, neo poker bot can already supposedly replicate gto and has been around for a decade.

They will lose some of the highest value customers who play 20k or 40k and who'd rather move to another place that lets them play those limits than play 10x lower

how is this better for GG than having highstakes / nosebleeds running 24/7 constantly raking for them ? there wasnt a single table running all last night of any game type and none of the nosebleed regs are gonna drop down to NL2000 to play much smaller stakes and pay even higher rake.

Tables literally only run when ElkY is sitting lol. He's been on the table for 99% of all hands that's been played since the change.

That’s the point. There is a reason why casinos have maximum bet size per hand instead of letting you put a single 50m bet.

By keeping the buy in small, the recreational runs out of money far slower, allowing them to be raked appropriately.

Of they can play tournaments whose variance is high enough that it does not effect the ecology too badly.

I don’t think you realise that disincentivizing nosebleed regs is the point, from a business and ecology perspective.

Rake is (I think) double at 10/20 then it was at 25/50 on average. 50/100+ very rarely runs so that's a non factor in terms of rake paid especially cause rake lowers, so you're really just comparing the increased table count + rake % of 10/20 to the old scheme of mainly 25/50 and some sporadic 50/100+. Factor in that you're prolonging the life of the fish, forcing high stakes regs out of the games to duke it out in extremely high rake structures @ 10/20 they are essentially boxing out the pros whilst sustaining fish longevity.

There was a large player pool of regs and recs that only play 10knl+ and just from tracked hands Daniil has played over 100k hands in a year at these limits (so not sure how you can say higher stakes than 5knl were rare on GG?). The big whales who play live games in Macau etc aren’t gonna drop down to 2knl and the semi-recs and weaker pros who jumped in to those higher games once tables started also won’t drop that low

Correct

How much is GG paying these guys to defend sth absolutely indefensible?

You guys should stop trying to imply that GG cares about the poker ecosystem, they dont, and they never did. Theres no big problem with that, they can do what they think is best for their site and to increase their profits. They are free to do it, but this decision is absolute garbage for poker and will definitely harm them in the future.

One of the reasons we are where we are in terms of player numbers and visibility is because of the super pros and the nosebleed battles. No one likes to watch whales gambling with no idea of what theyre doing, id rather watch roulette.

And its not like theyre only keeping guys who create content or something like that. Sure, Elky is a big name in the poker world, but he creates zero content, and his participation in these games wont impact visibility at all. This is just a way to rake more and benefit the kings friends (probably because no GG ambassador could beat 5kNL+ before the changes - maybe Fedor, but hes still far behind the top-tier cash guys and probably only winning if theres a gigantic whale at the table and not many AAA regs).

Besides, theyre ****ing players who are trying to make their way to high stakes, or do you really think Barak 9-tabling 2kNL is good for the game?

I hope GG pays the price for all the damage theyre doing to the game, their monopoly is very harmful. What a shitshow

the 35% vpip requirement is interesting in that the vast majority of recs who played 25/50+ were below a 35 vpip. Tons of guys with reasonable preflop stats who don't play strongly postflop or guys who play 19/4/2 type stats.

That means that those recs either quit playing or have to play even worse than they already do in order to get a seat. So not only are pros hurt by the higher (nearly unbeatable) rake, recs lose faster to both the rake and pros.

And obviously all the shitregs like myself who made the games softer for pros and more fun for recs are gone from the ecosystem

Exactly. Having to play wider ranges and put more money in pre doesn’t help recreationals. Pros will figure out how to play a minimally losing limping strategy to meet the vpip requirement. What do ppl think professionals do for a living? Lmao

I'm not shifting anything.
It's absolutely rampant.

This was a bit mean. I get annoyed when people talk about things in the abstract and making generalities about the state of online poker when I follow actual cases of cheating closely. But yeah I get it that there are ways to automate decision making.

But

1)they'd obviously make less.
2)recs would get more action

And somehow that doesn't help recs?
Cool story.
Very logical.

Haha ok boss, I guess if you say it enough times it must be true

Ok boss if you say it's not then it must be true.

You're right online poker is super ethical across the board. Rec players are really missing out by not playing in droves.

Now tell me more stories about how pros playing more hands and making less money would be bad for recs.

Because that's some of the most illogical **** I've ever heard in my life.

I appreciate this comment, and there are no hard feelings.

It would derail the thread here, but maybe it’s worth putting some of what you’ve discovered in NVG, keen to hear what you’ve found

They wouldn’t obviously make less. Recreational players will lose at a much higher rate with their most marginal vpips.
You’re making all kinds of assumptions about what recreationals want and what “helps” them.
My point is you can change the rules of poker and I doubt recreationals will lose more slowly, that’s what I was responding about, you’re off on your own all encompassing crusade against online poker.

Cool,
Yeah me and borg are hard in derail territory here but the cheating case I’m referring to is projectbaby97 on global poker, you can probably find the thread about it here or just google search.

why are you following me around like a creep throwing stones anon - this feels like 2010 on the forums

come play me in Vegas and lets see your skill

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Looks like CoinPoker is ready to make a play on the HS games - they pitched me recently and seemed ready to fire off. They are investing in getting more attention now and are aware creating high stakes games will do that so they might want to preserve the public world grind your way up ecosystem. If you're a reg in the games who wants that I would talk to them. Haven't played on the site before so no idea what the rake/bot/software situation is like but w/ the ambassadors they have, they seem to be ones interested building what the community of players want to play.