Daniel Negreanu's very own containment thread. All things Danny go here

Didnt know it was 210 out of 260...makes me not like that even more now

EDIT: Just saw him take some accountability with that whole oopse meter thing he does. at least there is progress in that

Now that Negreanu's won a bracelet, did so in Las Vegas, and did it in the most prestigious tournament of the entire series and for over a million bucks, some posters in this thread have lost their way, and are turning on one another instead. ;-)

Let me break it down. AKs is an excellent hand in holdem, so AKds must be even better. The hand can make both a broadway and wheel straight. It is the kind of hand you could limp in with in a cash game and then call a 4!. It is a great 3! bluffing hand because it blocks both AA and KK. Once he got 4!, he had odds to continue with 2 possible flushes, etc.

Part of the problem is you really can't 3! bluff in PLO, as people generally have odds to continue.

You are joking, right?

Aside of it being an okayish 3bet bluff, every single point you made is absolutely wrong, while you even manage to contradict yourself on top of that, you buffoon.

(Great 3bet bluff.... U really cant 3bet bluff)

He called a 4bet with AK83ds...
Aside of the suits, that's close to the worst hand there is to call a 4bet with, especially with nearly nothing behind.

You need to fix your sarcasm meter.

Your last paragraph was nonsense, too.
People do fold to 3bets in PLO MTTs, and it's still a bluff, if you get called. You keep bluffing on flops you like. That's called a continuation bet...

Hard to understand your sarcasm, if you end your post with that idiocy.

yea the 3 bet is probably fine with a button opening his blind but really he should fold to the 4 bet and preserve his stack.
but like I said he's hoping to spin it up by gambling in plo since he's never THAT far behind.

This thread can be about attacking deuceblocker rather than Negreanu.

Nah... sorry. I had a bad day, and didnt get your joke.

Let's get back to Daniel's wokeism and ****tardry, lmfao. (Just kidding)

Everything I said was wrong because my thread was a satire about how DN and others play PLO.

I don’t think I’ve ever heard a vlogger analyze a PLO hand in a way that doesn’t sound utterly terrible to me, and I don’t even play PLO.

To be serious, it was obvious he was 3! bluffing with blockers, and figured he would hit a flush draw or something to continue often if flat called. I guess it was a pot 4! for most of his chips and he thought he had odds and equity to continue. His hand is close to even against like QJT8 or QQT8. He has made 3! bluffs with AKxx before in PLO. Guess it isn't true he never bluff reraises.

yah i didnt realize he 4bet,

But the way he described the hand was that he saved chips in case he hit a bad flop

and once he saw the flop he said he would never fold that specific flop which is weird. He said he knew he was up against aces so that blocks hitting an ace for 2 pair with his 88s and only leaves a K and a 3 or a 2 outer for trip 8s.

still though, its just seems wild to play the hand like this...for cash, yah all day lets gamble it up, we got some back door flush draws 38% equity but i think doing this in a tournament on your last re-entry is as risky as it gets.

If he wants to gamble it up why not do it on bullet #1 (i didnt see the whole vlog so im not even sure if when he was discussing his second bullet if he meant it was for this PLO MTT, im also assuming this PLO MTT has 2 max re-entries?)

He didn't 4!. He 3! bluffed and then called a 4! for most of his chips.

woops yah called the 4bet...

"called for most of his chips" this is what im getting at though with the rest of my comment... he said he left chips behind to fold ugly flops

It would not only be weird if he folded this flop it would be an atrocious fold.

only cuz he's pot committed due to calling off most of his stack preflop...

It would be correct with more chips but gea that's how it worked.

You said it was weird he thought this was a flop to call off on when it's beyond standard .

The mistake was pre.

well what threw me off was that he said he left chips behind in case of a bad flop..

like for 1), why even have that as an option with so few chips and 2), if he did want to keep a lifeline is going all in with middle pair in PLO the right call? doesnt that go against his reasoning of leaving chips behind?

I dont think there is any flop you wont have to go all in with the amount of chips he put in pre so him saying he left chips behind in case of a bad flop makes no sense...i guess if a flop was monotone...

2) no, it’s an excellent flop for him. Middle pair in PLO is much stronger than in NLHE in these situations. The two flushdraws add almost 10% equity although one of them might be dead, you just gotta run with it.

Pre was an obvious mistake.

Btw, good PLO players know how often his K-hi flushdraw is dead if we think that the opponent has AA let’s say 95% of the time. I wonder if Daniel knows.

Preflop, he was bluffing with blockers over a button raise. I am not sure if he realized that a 4! pot would be for most of his stack. Then he figured he had odds. In terms of cEV, folding to the 4! would have been worse, but maybe better to preserve his stack. It is sort of like 3! jamming Axs over a button raise in holdem. He may not have realized stack sizes when he 3!, but the play isn't as bad as it looks.

Day 2 $10k Mystery Bounty seat draw:

Horseshoe 652 1 Matt Berkey United States 233,000 29
Horseshoe 652 2 Daniel Negreanu Canada 198,000 25

Will be interesting to see the vlog with those two

You beat me to it. In no situation can he fold once he sees the flop with the small amount he had left behind. The play to put himself in that position can be debated, but not the flop call.

Some real PLO experts in this thread. Im surprsised you all arent playing the $25k yourselves