Daniel Negreanu's very own containment thread. All things Danny go here

Who on this planet said he wasn't great in 2014?

He tries to convince people he's still elite NL player in 2024 when it's obvious he isn't. That's why he gets called out on his bullshit.

As I've said before he's winning at life. So if people just out of the blue said "you suck at NL you couldn't win 25 nl zoom on stars" they'd be idiots whether or not it was even true. But he brings the criticism on himself with the way he carries himself and his entitlement.

His PPC win doesn't prove anything either. It's an 89 person tournament you need to run super lucky in to win. It being a tough field doesn't mean you don't need a lot of luck. Even the worst player in the field is going to randomly win it every couple hundred times.

But at least he's a well rounded mix game player. If I had to invest in him in anything above a 10k it would mix.

If you're delusional about your skill level in games like PLO or against absolute crushers in NLH high-rollers that have you outclassed, then yes, it's easy when you're firing ALL the rebuys to lose, lose, lose.

He has probably gotten 20+ different responses from people who get pissed off about his posts in this thread. Im pretty sure hes gonna continue as long as people keep responding (and they will because people cant help themselves).

I think the bottom line to all of this is that Negreanu just can't beat the top players of today. Yes, there was a time when he was probably a top player, at least in the tournaments, but those days are over.

Mason

Are you sure?

https://www.wsop.com/pdfs/reports/23198-...

The haters are incredible. He wins one of the most prestigious tournaments in all of poker, which tests your skill at various different variants of poker against the very best of the best....yet we have posters like this moron saying he can't beat the top players LOL

Of all people I would have thought you would have a better concept of the sample size being talked about here. Up a million, down a million, doesn't mean much over a few high buy ins.

we could say same about your books....

This won’t age well since it is literally wrong the instant it was posted. Didn’t DN just beat some of the top players for one of the most coveted titles.

Is he consistently amount the elite, esp. in HE and Omaha, very likely no. Better than average overall, sure. Good overall yes. Top player? Well depends on those you consider.

Imo, in something like the Colossus DN would be a top player. WSOP $250K NLHE event, imo, no.

In a mix game or DC tournament, at WSOP, at probably any stakes, imo, probably yes.

The techniques that are being used in games like no-limit hold ‘em and perhaps plo don’t really apply in some of the other games. For example what are the GTO strategies for seven-card stud. So in this tourney, Negreanu has probably kept most of his edge.

Mason

Yeah, he is obviously top level in mixed game mn tts. He may be ev- in 250k nlhe, but the sample size is too small.

It might make sense to focus more on mixed and their component games as well as nlhe at somewhat lower stakes. However. He is probably playing for bracelets and final tables to maximize his value to gg.

At the lower stakes where there are still many weak players who are highly exploitable then Negreanu is probably still one of the best. But against today’s modern experts in some of these high roller events I think things may now be different.

He needs to watch his nutrient intake. Hes starting to get that emaciated vegan look.

If you think in terms of classical statistics you would be correct. But if you think in terms of Bayesian statistics where you take into account the incredible amount of knowledge some of today’s experts have, I have my doubts about your statement.

Mason

That looks emaciated to you?

You should look through photos of people in developed countries taken in the 1960s and earlier. Your comparator of today's average overweight American is in play.

the mental gymnastics american fatties will do to convince themselves that they are just fine by pointing out perfectly healthy physiques as "too skinny" is beyond ridiculous

no, that girl is not "too skinny and not your type" you just know you're a fatass who has zero chance with a non fatass so that's your copium

I want to follow this up a little.

In 1975 when I got my Masters Degree in Math I had to take and pass an oral exam. To do this, I studied a minimum of 12 hours a day for two-and-a-half weeks, and at the end of that time I knew everything I needed to know forwards and backwards.

Do you think Negreanu has done something like this? I don't. But I do believe that most of the top players today have (and continue to study on a regular basis) and that's why I don't think Negreanu is a winning player in some of these high roller tournaments against today's experts. Perhaps I'm wrong.

And thanks for the insult.

MM

wasn't so much of an insult just a matter of fact.

Seeing as you felt the need to take a cheap shot at DN in this thread.

Would you say the same what you have stated above to the likes of

ivey , antonious , Robl.....i doubt any of them sat there for 2 weeks straight memerising stuff, but they are all top tier players in their own field.

And as a side question if you are such a genius why are you not a top pro player ? im curious about that.

Skinny fat is a thing though and Scotch doesn’t like it

Ah, ok. That's an interesting way of looking at things that I hadn't considered.

I think we all agree that Negreanu isn't the end boss crusher of poker these days. But where does he sit in terms of skill level amongst those elite players? And to what degree does variance matter? He won a $300k about 20 months ago, what percentage of that was due to luck and how much due to skill? Is it possible that the very best player at these buy ins never wins one because there aren't enough of these tournaments for their skill edge to overcome the variance they experience? How do we really judge who sits where in terms of their true skill rating?

English is my 4th language so I had to read this five times to understand that you are really saying that you have studied ~250 hours and saying that DN has not?

To me this seems pretty crazy and I think Daniel has studied much more.

I don’t think he is top 100 tournament players in the world, maybe not even top 500 but you have to give him some credit for keeping up with the modern poker studies.

A few cliff notes:

DN wins 10M in tourneys- “go out and win a bracelet in LV!”

DN wins PPC “go out and win some damn money!”

Finishes 2nd in 2014 1M one drop “ No one says he wasn’t good back then!”

Wins 300K high roller in 2022 and 2024 PPC “He’s no good anymore!”

Takes a challenge against Polk where he hires a coach and studies “That man needs to work and study!”

..,,I get how he is annoying and how he needs to promote himself but the pretzel twisting is painful to watch. He’s a good poker player with a great gig but worked hard to get it

Yeah, he has to be way up in 100k÷ tournaments in the last 3 years with 2 wins in 300ks, so he isn't throwing away his money playing them. It isnt certain he isn't in the top 100 nlhe tournament players today.

til i learned that dnegs is still a crusher and mason doesn't know math... this thread is wild

There are people who know what they are talking about and there are trolls bashing him. Obviously not some end boss now thiough, even in nn mixed games.