Daniel Negreanu's very own containment thread. All things Danny go here

His job is to be a professional poker player, not necessarily to win money playing poker. By that I mean promoting GG/WSOP and maintaining a high profile within the game through vlogs and appearances on televised/streamed content. Anyone who thinks his decisions should be driven solely by profitability is maybe missing the forest from the trees. The fact that this thread pretty much never drops off the front page of 2P2 tells you how good Negreanu is at his job. You don't see this level of sustained attention and interest for any other player. People love to sweat this guy, whether it's with positivity or negativity. He is the #1 most popular player on Hendon Mob by a country mile:

https://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/ranking...

So maybe he is -EV in a $100k NLHE tournament against the best players in the world, but if his content is generating clicks for himself and his sponsors then he can still be a big winner. He's simply the biggest celebrity within the niche of poker (I'm not counting famous people like Neymar, Costanza, and Phelps who may dabble in poker). He's the biggest player brand within poker. The vlogs were a genius way to stay prominent in the conversation and if he's getting his face melted in a particular series, people are still going to engage with the content.

Let's be fair now, Daniel did not drop a milly, he lost only -$942,896, and it took longer than a week to lose it, more like two weeks.

Any time Daniel loses less than a million at a poker festival, chalk it up as a big accomplishment for him.

i mean he was getting it in because most of the events were multiple bullet turbo gong shows

Say you have a $3 million / year endorsement contract and they want you to produce videos of wins in $100K+ buyin tournaments. You can sell action in those tournaments for a slight discount and action in some other tournaments at a markup. Then you make like $2.7 million / year with no risk.

If you had no endorsement contract and played a full schedule of tournaments you could beat, you might make like $400K / year. So it makes sense to play the high rollers and do videos on them. It is much more profitable with less work.

Do any of his meatriders actually play poker? He ran completely normal. On the last video he was lucky many times. Then he punted his stack in two hands. Funny how the all in meter stopped when he started to ran good.

Try north of 30 million a year, his poker stars deal got him avg of 12mil for like 14 years

I have seen $3 million. The Poker Stars deal was in the poker boom. It definitely isn't more than $12 million.

The fact that he wasnt telling us how many BBs he had is a tell that it was a loosey goosey gamble (bad) all in.

https://www.pokernews.com/news/2024/12/daniel-negreanu-poker-facemask-ban-47657.htm

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Daniel Negreanu Calls for Face Coverings, Sunglasses Ban at the Poker Table

Poker rule changes I would vote for:

1. No face covering of any sort.

2. No Sunglasses.

3. If a player bets 90% or more of their stack, it is an all in.

4. No card protectors allowed on the table.

-Improve player/viewer experience

-Protect the game

I'm fine with that. Don't think they will drastically improve the player's or viewers experience though.

Agree with all of that. If you use sunglasses or a card protector you're ******ed.

him bitching because people could angle the 1 chip rule without being able to point out a single time where someone did angle with it is such nonsense

every bit of it and his priors with deeb and his existing tilt makes me think he was fuming about deeb not busting in that spot.

his solution isnt even the most obvious and simple solution

instead of tweaking what people can and cant bet simpler fix

hands cant be turned over without dealer command in all ins just like how its handled on the bubble at ept's but every all in and without having to wait for the tournament director to show up and announce it

He has some points. However, he is supposed to be really good with reads, so probably doesn't want people covering their faces and wearing sunglasses.

I've seen people angle it by getting to waste more time hoping for a bustout on another table. Basically use their time banks in a **** clock tournament,go all in for every chip but one preflop then tank when they get put all in.

he has now deleted all comments multiple times on the video he posted

absolutely pathetic ****

Which video is this?

I mean, if you are going to argue that he is an effective brandbot, then ok, you got us there. Not really sure how that makes him anything else than a loser in that regard.

What's left is a run of the mill narcissist with smooth-brained opinions, delusional about his abilities, and milking his 2004 run for all it's worth.

He's made it work I guess, but again, I am not sure how that's admirable.

Did you see the new mansion he just built? He's making a lot more than $3m per year

This reminds me of kids being picked on in school. He isn't paid millions for being a top poker player. He is played for luring fish on to a crooked poker site.

Poker sites won't pay much for a great player who acts like a robot at the table and would give you some real GTO analysis no one could understand.

It is probably worth more to GG if he plays the super high rollers. If he was really getting crushed at those stakes, it would be obvious and would be a problem for his marketing.

This thread is everything that is wrong with 2+2 and why this place is a ghost town now. Rude regular posters and overstrict mods ruined this place. Posters telling me 10101 vs Kj is a flip when the other guy folded KQ and the KQ had a single heart in it that takes away a lot of his outs. I been saying this for years poker players aren't good people and this thread proves that.

If you remove the king of hearts in your "no flip"-calculation you need to account for 7 players or whatever folded cards that weren't kings or queens.

you're cherry picking dead cards.

and the reason this place is a ghost town compared to its heyday is because posting forums are pretty dead across the board compared to 2005ish.

I don't see how his mansion shows he is getting more than $3 million from GG. He probably got over $100 million from Poker Stars plus big tournament net wins from 2003-2015 or so.

I am sort of a fan as you might tell. I sort of know him from when he was the “pro” for the Tournament forum before he was famous. The pros would comment on all the hands posted, and were all really good players. They also had forums for NLHE cash, limit holdem, all types of stud games, and all types of Omaha games. He seemed to like discussing strategy and helping people with their play.

I sort of follow the WSOP results of old school pros. He has made a lot of deep runs in limit and mixed games tournaments and seems way +ROI in the $3K or below tournaments he has played in NLHE or whatever, based on the number of deep runs he has had in those large field tournaments.

It is obvious why GG wants his videos on $300K entry fee or whatever tournaments. It doesn’t matter if he isn’t one of the best players in them. Their audience wants to see his discussion of his hands with really top players. I found some of his tournament reviews interesting.

For example, he discussed a hand where the SB raised with J9o and DN defended the BB with QJo. The board goes QTxxx with no flushes. It goes 1/3 pot/call OTF, 1.5xpot/call OTT, and check/check on the river. DN explained that SB’s overbet should fold out most gutshots, and SB’s hand blocks draw. So it was likely DN had a good made hand, so better to give up on the river. It was a good explanation of what seemed like weird play from a GTO-influenced player, whether or not his opponents line was good.

A lot of the NLHE videos now seems overly into blockers, etc. DN provides videos of top level play that are understandable to amateur players who would be influenced by his connection with it to try GG.

It is obvious his contract isn’t because he is a really top player now. I don’t understand all the hate.

No, just after 2 years around poker the schtick gets old and he's obviously phony. After 16 years in poker you can see how much of a joke the whole industry is