Funny Tom McEvoy Story
Mcevoy has just come out with an autobiography and apparently he says some nasty stuff about us, and he repeats this very quickly at around 19:00 minutes in this interview:
Anyway, I thought I would tell a funny McEvoy story from way back which I'm sure he knows nothing about.
Back in the 1990s I use to keep a mailing list and whenever we came out with a new book I would send (via regular mail) a brochure about the new book hoping the recipient would buy it directly from me/Two Plus Two.
In 1996 I had someone helping me with marketing who suggested that I go to the post office and see if I could be approved for bulk mail which would mean I would save a little money on postage. To do this, I had to make an appointment with a bulk mail expert and explain why I would deserve a bulk mail permit.
So, I met with a lady who was the bulk mail expert and to have a successful meeting I brought some of our books with me to show that I had a legitimate business. After showing her the books she surprised me and asked me what I thought of Tom McEvoy's tournament book. (This was his second tournament book. Not the one he did with Gambling Times.)
I explained to her that we had a verbal agreement a couple of years earlier to do the book, but that didn't work out and we never got started on the writing of the manuscript and he eventually took the book some place else. I also told her that I didn't think the book was up to our standards and it would have required a lot of work to get it there, and was thus glad we ended up not doing it.
I then asked the lady, whose name I don't remember, how she knew Tom McEvoy. Her answer was that she use to be married to him.
Great stroy.
Another great story, Mason! Wow, I'm happy I read this today. What are the odds that the lady you're talking to about bulk mail used to be married to Tom McEvoy? My son, at 5, is still a bit too young to learn about this, but I'll tell him this story once he's a bit older.
This is less tit for tat than it is nipple for crap
Mason Malmuth, people, showing his with and class
Meets the definition of gossip imo.
Mason used to post lots of interesting $20-40 LHE hnads for discussion 20+ years ago.
I played a couple tournaments with Tom in 2001, he seemed like a pretty nice guy. He wrote a Card Player article about how overwhelmed he was by railscrounges & deadbeats after winning the ME (I enjoy telling them no; my favorite scene in Casino is Pesci “Don’t make a **** out of me, Al!”).
He also lost all four of his bracelets over the years; IIRC there was burglary and divorce involved. One he took off in an arcade to play Pac-Man or whatever with Johnny Chan (God Forbid thereÂ’s ever an oral history & 30 For 30 about this), walked away for a second after they were done, sprinted back but it was already gone. I think they mightÂ’ve been in Japan on a cruise or something.
The online version was edited to simply “left in a public place”. 😃
CÂ’mon Tom, forty years later ya gotta laugh; 50/50 itÂ’s in a Vegas pawnshop for $200 right now.
He can say whatever he wants, but wearing that T-Shirt should put him in jail for life.
You told a ME winner his tournament book wasn’t up to par and that’s why you didn’t finish the book together? Okay, what’s the real reason?
You told a ME winner his tournament book wasn’t up to par and that’s why you didn’t finish the book together? Okay, what’s the real reason?
I didn't tell McEvoy anything about his book. We met in June of either 1993 or 1994. (I forget the exact year.) McEvoy then told me he was headed to a poker tournament in California that would last a month, be back in August, and then we could get started on the book, and this was fine with me. However, I didn't see or hear from him until the very last day in November (four months late) when I saw him in The Mirage Poker room, and after he inquired, I told him I had no interest in working on the book.
You need to understand that even way back then, my life, because of the publishing business, was one thing after another and I wasn't going to work with someone who appeared (to me) to be unreliable.
I explained to her that we had a verbal agreement a couple of years earlier to do the book, but that didn't work out and we never got started on the writing of the manuscript and he eventually took the book some place else.
original post sounds like he walked away.
the below post sounds like you walked away, granted after his unreliability.
I didn't tell McEvoy anything about his book. We met in June of either 1993 or 1994. (I forget the exact year.) McEvoy then told me he was headed to a poker tournament in California that would last a month, be back in August, and then we could get started on the book, and this was fine with me. However, I didn't see or hear from him until the very last day in November (four months late) when I saw him in The Mirage Poker room, and after he inquired, I told him I had no interest in working on the
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However, I didn't see or hear from him until the very last day in November (four months late) when I saw him in The Mirage Poker room, and after he inquired, I told him I had no interest in working on the book.
You need to understand that even way back then, my life, because of the publishing business, was one thing after another and I wasn't going to work with someone who appeared (to me) to be unreliable.
Wouldn’t it be worth it having Tom promote the book as a ME winner? I’m not sure maybe having his name on it wouldn’t have made a difference at the time.
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Wouldn’t it be worth it having Tom promote the book as a ME winner? I’m not sure maybe having his name on it wouldn’t have made a difference at the time.
Except that our publishing company doesn’t work that way. We do a great deal of significant editing and this includes challenging many strategic concepts that may be in the book manuscript, and sometimes even asking the author to write additional stuff and remove other stuff that may be in the book. And to do this well we need authors who are 100 percent reliable and are willing to work extremely hard to make their book top notch.
So, having a former ME champion may be nice, and we have that with Dan Harrington, it doesn’t mean the book will meet our standards.
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If you knew me, I’m always polite and professional in these types of situations, but I do give honest answers. By the way, if this wasn’t the case, I don’t think we would have achieved anything close to the level of success that we did.
2+2 was right not to publish that book. It was really bad.
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Mcevoy has just come out with an autobiography and apparently he says some nasty stuff about us
polite and professional means actually reading what was said before reacting IMO, not just hearing third hand that apparently something was said. I watched the interview. Here's what he said:
David Sklansky...not one of my favorite people...he did enough (to deserve to be in the poker hall of fame). Sklansky is not a nice person and his biggest contribution to poker was his books, not so much his poker. He did win a few bracelets in the very early days in the 70s with small fields. He was always a decent player but it was his writing that was very good. As a human being, I had no use for him or his partner in crime Mason Malmuth.
I mean...ok it's not praising you but he acknowledges the contribution, and shares that maybe he doesn't like you. Is that so nasty?
I heard even juicier story about Tom McEvoy back in the days. When he won his main event he tried to stiff his backer on the basis it's gambling debt and thus not legally enforceable. The judge did not agree though.
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polite and professional means actually reading what was said before reacting IMO, not just hearing third hand that apparently something was said. I watched the interview. Here's what he said:
David Sklansky...not one of my favorite people...he did enough (to deserve to be in the poker hall of fame). Sklansky is not a nice person and his biggest contribution to poker was his books, not so much his poker. He did win a few bracelets in the very early days in the 70s with small fields. He was alwa
Except that we've had problems with McEvoy before.
I heard even juicier story about Tom McEvoy back in the days. When he won his main event he tried to stiff his backer on the basis it's gambling debt and thus not legally enforceable. The judge did not agree though.
I actually knew the attorney quite well who prosecuted this case against McEvoy. The way I understood it, a poker player named Marty (perhaps Marti) Siegel claimed that he had a piece of McEvoy when he won the main event. (My understanding of this is that this claim was debatable.) I also understood that the lower court ruled that it was a gambling debt and gambling debts were not enforceable by law (at that time in Nevada).
Then, in an appeal, it was pointed out that this was a business arrangement and not a gambling debt, and the case was sent back to the lower court for retrial. However, a lower court retrial never took place.
Now to be clear, I'm not sure if what I just wrote is completely accurate. If someone else knows more, please correct me.
Also, this was a legal court case in Nevada around 1984 or 1985. I assume that in the Nevada court system there is an archive of it somewhere, and perhaps someone would want to find it and post it here.
