Regulated Market GGpoker.ca Blatantly allowing bot farm

Most low/midstake Ontario players who have looked into it agree something is going on while not all agree with my prop player theory almost everyone thinks something is going on. Also the fact many regs have sent emails to gg about this makes it unlikely they are bots since in theory they are so obvious they would have done something about it.

This is also in a new regulated market that started about 15 months ago. (gg launched 12 months ago) The whole point of regulation is to not allow stuff like this. If Ontario wants a cut of the pie they should do something about it. I think writing this thread will be a lot more effective to bring it to their attention then writing to some guy in Ottawa that has never played online poker in his life. I get this stuff happens on unregulated sites like acr all the time but if were going to let are governments ringfence us they can at least fight for them to do their job.

While you never may have a smoking gun for something like this I think most poker players should have a strong base of mathematics, statistics, and Probability. Say one player plays 8pm-5am everyday for 11 months and no other times that would just be weird but not suspicious. If you have 12 players all doing that it becomes very strange but it could still mathematically be a coincidence. But when we have 12 players doing this and 10 other things that most people don't do it becomes so astronomically likely that they are working together or have someone telling them what they can and cannot do. At this point it becomes a fact. These guys do not really try to hide it I think you will see its very obvious.

I think the best example for this is when a famous Minecraft youtuber named dream was exposed for cheating on his speed runs. Mathematicians were about to conclude that there was only 1 in 7.5 trillion odds he didn't cheat which exposed him to using a mod to change item drop rates in the game. He got lucky on all the item drops if he just got lucky on one or two he probably would have never been exposed. While I didn't want to spend the money to hire someone to back me up this is the principal we will be using to prove they are working together.

Other then that your just going to have to trust the info me and other Ontario Regs have gathered some added info and screenshots can surely be provided

Key Notes

• 1. They play nl100/nl200 sometimes nl50. NEVER NL500 this is important later
  
• 2. They all multitable 9+tables minimum.
  
• 3. They dont table select and will play each other 5 handed. If they had the standard rakeback% there is no way they could all do this without going broke. They almost certainly have a special deal
  
• 4. Most of them are quite nitty and all would be considered quite bad in the global pool. but in a ring fenced Canada site they are all certainly winning players.
  
• 5. GGpoker has a bad beat jackpot and they win alot of them... but we do not suspect collusion here or in normal play
  
• 6. Its possible they don't even live in Ontario and remote in. Ontario has the softest mid stakes games in the world probably but you have to live in Ontario to play them.
  
• 7. All 12 have played pretty fulltime hours since November and non have quit as far as I know. They play about 4-6 days a week rotate days off.
  
• 8. They are the only regs on the site who play ggpokers allinorfold. The rakes too high and the stakes are too low no one plays this trash but them.. amongst themselves for 1$ stakes
  
• 9. They make up about 50-70% of EVERY PLAYER during the 8-5 timeslot this is not a minor ring it is a high percentage of the players when you consider multitables
  

The Evidence

• 1. 8pm-5am est play only. zero exceptions over 9-10 months. Games are easier before 8pm so them choosing only this timeslot is strange. They always show up at 8pm on the dot no exceptions.
  
  
• 2. They don't actively play for the gg leaderboard they will stop playing a few hands from pay jumps. (massively -ev) GG rake is very high this massively lowers the effective rake.
  
  
• 3 No nl500 shot take in 10 million+ of combined hands. They have combined 200k+gg jackpot winnings . One of 12 winning players would have if they were not being told to play certain stakes.
  
  
• 4. Register 1$ allin or fold sngs everynight . This is much much smaller stakes then they play on other tables. They just reg it and it rarely goes off
  
  
• 5 Play .10 allinfold cash tables with 1$ in play while 14 tabling 1/2$ tables with 2k+ in play everynight
  
  
• 6.11/12 are losing players at aof sngs on Sharkscope but still push the games at really low stakes they should not be playing.( sharkcope included too bad they got rid of that huh?)
  
  
• 7. They never waitlist even if all tables are full they will just wait for open seats. This highly suggest they might all be using the same seating script or can only join tables that need a player.
  
  
• 8. They Rarely talk. a few rare exceptions (we do think they are individuals) People often try to interact with them and are ignored including sponsored pros
  
  
• 9. Run it once. (its more button clicking because of constant cashout offers. Its actually less ev because you can play less tables and ignore the allin so its against the norm for miltitablers.
  
  
• 10.No one in Ontario knows any of them (we all know each other. Its a very small poker community we are literally all in the same discord 80%+ of other regs )
  
  
• 11 No tournaments played until recently which were all satellites for major tournament that they started at offpeak times and only amongst themselves with the winner going directly into the money for a very high ro
  

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Keep in mind while each of these things individually is not that suspicious. The fact they all follow these rules with little or no exception as a group makes it improbable that they are not working together in some way and following set guidelines set by someone above them.

The id's

Rainonme
su!@takemymoney
Tyler_win
ar@na
T_H_E
burrrrrr12
invincible152
doncryingfish
planethack
p@int
ggmasterKK
scops owl

Counter theory's-

I guess they could be a stable but this theory doesn't really pass the test. They all play at hours with less fish and against each other and never during the day when the games are the softest. As a winning player at the limits they play they are simply all collectively doing very dumb -ev things together. You would have to be a very shitty stable manager to run it like this. They start at 8am in china so it would have to be a foreign stable to make sense imo. They could be a stable but they would have to be a stable ggpoker hired to prop up their games.

Its possible they are bots but they seem to have their own slightly different playstyles and personality's and love to spam the emojis 😀. GG has been let aware of them and done nothing making this theory weaker imo. People have played alot of hands vs them and dont feel they are bots.

Coincidence? Na your kind of gullible if you believe this sorry. they are not a small percentage of the player pool. During the hours they play they make up about 50-70% of the total players online at their stake if you count multitables. About 30% of all nl100 traffic for the entire day. we do not have a big sample to find 12 players with these discrepancies but we find it. I think its quite obvious gg wants to win the lucrative Ontario market share of online poker and gambling.

Why they got away with this so long and may still

Small market
Everyone in Ontario is making heaps of money and don't really care
Most pros play 2-5+ play above them and just don't care what happens below them but we clearly have villain's mining out the 1/2 recs and not moving up which means less 2/5 recs
Players think because they beat them its ok. its just really bad for the longterm ecosystem.
GGpoker is quite profitable and generous on rb. They might not want to tap the glass. ggpoker Ontario has no pvi for example. We assume this is because it would be against fair play regulation.
I think there's a small fear of getting banned or targeted by one of the only places we can play online poker. I kind of expected the bigger Ontario names to bring it up.

What can be done about it

As every state/province/country in the world slowly becomes ringfenced and "government regulated" we need to have higher standards of what we allow these poker sites to do. I know you may not live in Ontario Canada but if you allow this to go on when your state or country opens up online poker or makes it geo restricted they will try this on you too. I imagine a very big boom is coming in the states after they see what Canada is doing. Alerting regulators to this by making a public thread is really all I could come up with im sure many people have already emailed them.
The United States will never join the global pool in are lifetime. But they might join the Canadian market or make their own similar one.

This is taken from the Ontario imaging website Im no lawyer but I think having your site ran by prop/bots might be against regulation.

Sorry for any grammar or formatting mistakes this is not really my thing but sadly I don't think anyone else was ever gonna bring it up.