WSOP 2023 ME deep(ish) run payout trouble
Hello, Workaholics!
My name is Pavel, I play poker for over 10 years now, a very few of you may know me as "bomba-tiktak"
The money is supposed to be picked up by a player within three years. Maybe they want the wire to get arrested until further resolution, or just keep telling me that it is stuck between banks. With this kind of customer service it is almost impossible to get an official statement out of them. So they can keep telling me they have no power to process the payment, that the money
A Russian player with a Canadian account is why it's not going smoothly.
The WSOP is not trying to keep your money.
And they don’t care about your tax liability one way or the other.
This is above their heads and I imagine it’s just a big headache for them as well.
OP: Based on everything you told, you're clearly taxable in Canada, you spend more than half a year in Canada and that makes you a tax resident. Even if you would spend under 1/2 year it could be a thing in certain situations. In everyone of your posts you seem to think you can choose your nationality, residency and whatnot like a shopping list. That's not how it is in the real world, unfortunately, there are rules for that, the specifics depend on each country, often they have a double taxation agreement. Even if not there are some binding international rules.The 30% BTW are from the US govt, they have nothing to do with the WSOP, no matter how your case goes Caesars will keep nada of it
Where by reason of the provisions of paragraph 1 an individual is a resident of both Contracting States, then his status shall be determined as follows:
A. he shall be deemed to be a resident of the State in which he has a permanent home available to him; if he has a permanent home available to him in both States, he shall be deemed to be a resident of the State with which his personal and economic relations are closer (centre of vital interests);
B. if the State in which he has his centre of vital interests cannot be determined, or if he has not a permanent home available to him in either State, he shall be deemed to be a resident of the State in which he has an habitual abode;
C. if he has an habitual abode in both States or in neither of them, he shall be deemed to be a resident of the State of which he is a citizen;
D. if each State considers him as its citizen or if neither State considers him as its citizen, the competent authorities of the Contracting States shall settle the question by mutual agreement.
From Canada-Russia tax treaty.
Here I’m not even sure Canada should be involved at all. Since the tournament was played in the USA and entered it as a Russian citizen.
Where by reason of the provisions of paragraph 1 an individual is a resident of both Contracting States, then his status shall be determined as follows:A. he shall be deemed to be a resident of the State in which he has a permanent home available to him; if he has a permanent home available to him in both States, he shall be deemed to be a resident of the State with which his p
You're not a resident of Russia anymore since you're absent for 1+ year already.
Face it Pavel, your days are numbered. Go into hiding. KGB going to extradite your ass to the Siberian gulag for failure to contribute to Putin’s war coffers. Bad mistake to go public with all this. Run!
But you have yourself, which is the key bit.
It's like you think you're angle shooting but they've already got a rule for it.
not so sure wsop has a rule for people with dual citizenships who can be considered residents in both countries. When I was asking about the payout I was assured that its no problem.
Andy replied with a huge update.
Wire has been returned to Caesars , they are deciding on the next steps now.
We agreed on the check option.
They do have my number.And I know that they want to call in order to smooth talk me into whatever they want. That’s what CSR vampires do, it’s their jobto use manipulative scripts and that makes them proud. So I’m perfectly happy with e-mails. Rocking the boat is exactly my goal here. Poker should belong to people, not to ceasears entertainment. I put my poker reputation at st
Here you were coming across as a greedy, selfish, taker vampire. But all this time you were actually in there fighting for the people, selflessly taking these slings and arrows so the rest of us will never have to. You may not be the hero poker deserves, but you’re the hero poker needs.
when we picking up the check ?
Already deposited. They mailed it to me, full amount. Now waiting 15 business days for the money to be available.
In the meantime gotta run and hide from CRA and KGB…
Now, I can say Andy Rich did a great job handling this situation.
He became WSOP operations manager only recently, and I suspect his hands might have been tied in terms of dealing with Paris cage.
But when I requested the M103 form the money magically returned to Paris on the next day and 2 days later I received a check.
So best wishes to mr. Rich on becoming the Dana White of WSOP!
And thanks to all of you for the comments and 6k+ views, it might have played a big part in resolving this issue.
If i get to lose 30% , so be it. that's fine. it's just sad that WSOP's attitude towards players is so demeaning these days. Even if they disliked my greedy intention to choose a 13% tax option over 30% (for an mtt, for ****'s sakes). They should've recalled that the ME is an iconic competition where all kinds of players - levels, pronounces and nationalities are battling for t
If I were you I would take Mr. Rich's advice and do exactly what he proposes here. Better to work within the system then to try to get around it. I made a couple of good scores at the WSOP in the past and when they offered me my options I opted to take cash, and they send a 1099 form to the IRS. I paid taxes on it both times this happened, about 15%.
Already deposited. They mailed it to me, full amount. Now waiting 15 business days for the money to be available.In the meantime gotta run and hide from CRA and KGB…Now, I can say Andy Rich did a great job handling this situation. He became WSOP operations manager only recently, and I suspect his hands might have been tied in terms of dealing with Paris cage.But when I request
There you go. Looks like you took my advice after all.
Just read through this whole thing and have some questions here. I believe Russia doesn't allow dual citizenship does it? Also do you really have Canadian citizenship. First you have to be a resident for 3+ years I believe and if you are an adult, have to be paying taxes during that time. Of course we all know there are a lot of people "gaming" the system for whatever the reason. If you left to avoid getting dragged into Russia's aggression that's up to you but that wouldn't give you enough time to get Canadian citizenship.
Really sounds like someone trying to avoid paying legit taxes if he has Canadian residence. Windfalls won IN Canada, like poker winnings, lotteries, etc are not taxable here in Ontario however if won somewhere outside of Canada it depends on the tax treaty between involved countries.
There are definitely some facts we are not being told here.
Russia will not cancel your citizenship if you get a citizenship somewhere else. “Dual citizenship” is something like an agreement between two countries, I guess.
I got my Canadian passport in 2007.
I was trying to avoid higher taxes, legit or not legit we will see if I’m still free one year from now or so.
