WPN ''Steals'' more than 50k in rewards

WPN ''Steals'' more than 50k in rewards

Hello my name is Frederico Nizzato da Silva, I have played poker professionally since 2018. Playing cash games since 2020, I have been active on zoom500 on stars for 2-3 years and on reg tables as well under the nickname fred_high. Nowadays I play for a stable called Metagame in wich I have done some coaching in the past. I decided to write this post seeking some help from the community about something that happened to me on WPN network this year.
Last year I was fallowing a regular from Portugal on Instagram that was doing the rake back challenge on WPN during 2023. He was playing 150-200k hands monthly on blitz200 to achieve the top rake back status on WPN. I really like that idea, since I was already playing high volume on other networks and always enjoyed playing zoom games. I then went further on studying their rake back system and noticed that I could make 144k +- (leaderboards+ revenue share + Rewards point system) yearly on rake back alone if break even at the tables. I showed this study to the stable I am part of and showed my desire to try doing that in 2024. They were on board. I also came to know that other regulars of the stable that were used to play high volume wanted to pursue the rake back status as well.

So at January 7, 2024, I started this challenge playing around 10k hands daily at blitz 200. Needless to say how stressful it was right away, even being used to play high volume, this was above my avg and was very demanding since the start . Also, I had to play on a tight schedule since the beginning, games started usually at 4pm BRT, and usually it takes at least 9 hours to finish the daily volume I had too. Besides that, I decided to move on expecting a very good reward at the end of the year.

After some time playing those games me and the other regulars of the stable that was doing the challenge (UrsoBranco Biluzin) noticed some suspicious players, playing very non intuitive lines constantly and playing high volume. Some of them were already on some lists here on two plus two being acused of being bots. One of them for example, acquition, was banned after making a deep run on The venom mtt , he played on a daily bases on blitz200 games. https://gyazo.com/c886802019cc04da3244d7...

There is a bunch of other nicknames I suspected some of them stop playing at some point but some were still active till the date I was playing there. Some examples CkaNNonBaLL , KimkardashFan , Impermanente , hamipuhyle. By this time, I had already played around 500k hands or more and decided to keep doing it since I was running close to 0ev bb at that point.

On the day 20 of July I received this e-mail. https://gyazo.com/96d01712875e73f289ad96...

I was surprised since I was clearly playing of unfair pool and they never banned some players. But I proceed to send all the files they asked for.

After this I sent all the videos, they asked for doing more than 1hour of gameplay going though all the though process behind the plays. I Also explained that I knew biluzin and urso branco , but didn’t have any type of collusion of profit share with them. I have been playing for the same stable for 4 years already and never had any profit share with any players this is also against the stable police. Here is the print Hero vs Vilan of biluzin vs all regs: https://gyazo.com/cba484e2e56900260c80a0...

Its looks almost like a joke ! The regular biluzin won the most money from Urso branco , winning almost double of the amount of the second reg. How Could be possible that we were soft playing this way? we have also sent lots of hand examples with insane bluffs one vs another and even crazier hero calls.

After that the investigation went on for more than 1 month with my acc being restricted. I could keep playing but couldn’t make any transfer or withdraw. Then on august 22 I received this final e-mail with their decision: https://gyazo.com/2c392fcbe1c32c7fc87ce8...

Note that the final argument for banning me was this : The accounts: NIZZA, URSOBRANCO and BILUZIN had been intentionally working together towards a common goal to reach the highest loyalty rewards possible while sharing nearly 50% of your blitz gameplay which we have deemed as soft play, Non-aggression external agreements, and bonus clearance fraud.

Now how come sharing 50% of the volume of the pool being illegal? Is kind of obvious that if you are trying to reach the highest rb status you would have to play almost every day and most of the time that those blitz200 games were running. Like I said in the beginning, most days the pool started at 4pm, so I had no choice of schedule. I had to start playing at that time if I want to have a somewhat decent sleep routine (remembering that counting breaks I would have to play for 9-10 hours straight). Also, the argument of working together to reach the max rb status makes no sense as well. That promotion is offered by the site, is almost like they let you start the promotion work almost the whole year for it and when they realized you would reach it, they find a way to take the promotion away. Besides that, RB is never more than 100% so even if we reach the highest rb status the room is making money from us still, and not the other way around.

1.5.7 Permanent ban allowing to withdraw their funds: This penalty describes a termination of an account where WPN determines in its sole discretion the right of the offending player to withdraw his or her remaining funds excluding unclaimed promotions, bonuses or loyalty rewards, plus provided that any affected players have been compensated in the amounts determined by WPN.

We will proceed with manually withdrawing any remaining balance from your account. Please provide a valid BTC address for this transaction.

This final sanction is a clear sign of their bad faith in the matter. Why they let me withdraw my funds but not the rewards ? When they banned. I had all the rewards that I had accumulated over the year still there, I wasn’t withdrawing it before because the way their loyalty system works if u accumulate your points till u reach last level you get better odds when exchanging those points. I had at that point more than 50k USD accumulated on rewards (part of the rewards were automatically withdrawn in the form of leaderboards + revenue share). So in my view is super clear their intention to ``steal`` my rewards accumulated there since the beginning of the year.

So that’s even nastier by their side. They have a loyalty system that incentivizes accumulating points. And then they ban you when you are close to reaching that goal claiming only that part of the money back.

I try to answer that e-mail saying exposing my arguments with no success. Here is their answer: https://gyazo.com/fb3a7ec7b3b5337cf723be...

Here are some hands, out of thousands, prints against Biluzin and Ursobranco : https://gyazo.com/601ddf179a2c911a20fbe6...
https://gyazo.com/19b4474efe353014209faa...

You might wonder why it took me so long to speak up about this situation. After the initial decision, the CEO of Metagame reached out directly to WPN, and we managed to get a response from their team. They requested a significant amount of information—most of which we had already provided—along with additional details specifically related to the stable we play for. We promptly gathered and submitted everything they asked for, but the entire process dragged on for over a month.

In the end, they started sending automated replies, stating that they do not discuss their decisions with third parties and would only communicate directly with the players involved. This response is ironic since they had been requesting all the information from the stable throughout the process.

Given this situation, we decided the best course of action was to go public and share our story.

Any help would be great to make this thread reach max number of players. So everybody can know WPN is super shady with their players and polices. And hopefully they reevaluate my situation. I don't even mind if they keep me aways from their games, I don't plan to play there anymore anyway. Getting my money back would be great already

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by Bozemanite k

Hi zinhao,

Your stable is at the cutting edge of poker and it would be foolish to throw that away for 30K in rakeback at 200NL Blitz. I fully believe that you never meant for this to happen.

To expand briefly on my thoughts: If I was Nizza or Biluzin playing 200,000+ hands a month, I have one main challenge which is to remain fresh so that my poker skill does not get substantially worse over the massive volume. One of the easy ways to stay fresh is to fold more (less decisions = less decisi

you'd still pay rake to play your "teammates". it doesnt make sense


by goose434 k

If this is the case and they are so spectacular, why would they grind so much time on 200b?

he's still young to the game, but he didnt play only 200b. 200b is the easiest way to make volume and to sustain a smooth grind. Pedro was 1.8bb/100 up before rakeback iirc, so making 2kk hands and receiving 3.5bb/1000 in rakeback (~65%) is more or less $200k a year. Is not easy to make this not even at 1kNL nowadays, there's a bunch of things you have to take into account when choosing limits/type of grinding.

but he played 400nl, 600nl, 1knl with 200b also. and when he was banned he started to play more GG with good table selection and played up to 10k before they made the games private. so i'd say that choice of making hard volume was a type of grind he wanted to do in that time, and you have a lot of different habilities in poker. We had several highstakes grinders but the guy who made the biggest money into a year was a midstake grinder who made 2kk hands per year 2 years straight. If you can sustain a very good a-game for several hours in a soft pool that can lead to biggest hourly that the vast majority of the highstakes grinders. when i say he's spectacular is not only his capacity of receive content and internalize it, but his capacity of grinding a lot, sustain A game, dont tilt, etc.


by zinhao k

you are not seeing the reality of how the situation works because you are too worried about hating stables without even understanding how they work: all players on our company have individual contracts, individual interests and individual deals, individual routines, lifes etc. there's no such thing as "stable's best interest", we didn't tell Rubens Barricello to stop the car so Schumacher could pass, they don't have common interests, we are not a pool.

You’re misunderstanding my post. I’m asking a question - which is could it be in a “stable’s best interest” to soft play? This is basically what WPN is claiming. That somehow your player(s) are benefiting from soft playing each other. If the math says it can’t be in a stable’s best interest to soft play (aka having a non aggression agreement) - then WPNs accusations don’t make sense and stems from a lack of understanding on their part.

I’m not accusing anyone of wrongdoing. Personally I don’t see the benefit of stable members softplaying against each other, aside from using less mental “resources”.


by ten25 k

You’re misunderstanding my post. I’m asking a question - which is could it be in a “stable’s best interest” to soft play? This is basically what WPN is claiming. That somehow your player(s) are benefiting from soft playing each other. If the math says it can’t be in a stable’s best interest to soft play (aka having a non aggression agreement) - then WPNs accusations don’t make sense and stems from a lack of understanding on their part.

I’m no

yes exactly. sorry for missunderstanding. rake is higher than 0. there's no way to soft play and win money between 2 or more individuals if they are colluding. yes, its lack of understanding to say the least about them. we all know what it is: scam


by zinhao k
by goose434 k

If this is the case and they are so spectacular, why would they grind so much time on 200b?

he's still young to the game, but he didnt play only 200b. 200b is the easiest way to make volume and to sustain a smooth grind. Pedro was 1.8bb/100 up before rakeback iirc, so making 2kk hands and receiving 3.5bb/1000 in rakeback (~65%) is more or less $200k a year. Is not easy to make this not even at 1kNL nowadays, there's a bunch of things you have to take into account when choosing limits/type of grin

I see, makes sense thank you for explanation!


by zinhao k

I understand where you're going with these questions and although I have very little hope that you have the will to understand, I'll try:

thank you for your response.


Any updates mate?


by angelar98 k

Any updates mate?

No. We are trying to spread the word in other ways, probably by participating in some podcast to clarify the subject.


by angelar98 k

Any updates mate?

Unfortunately ACR didn't even bother saying ****. It's a shame. This room is the worst. Anyway we still believe it will work out. We are going to start posting on twitter and other social medias. I ask for those who wants to help, to keep spreading the word as much as possible. Thanks !

BTW , did they answer you angelar ?


ya 2+2 should not have been the first place you came to if that's what you did. You have to complain on twitter these days to people with followers and hope one them have ethics and the energy to help you. maybe try to get on berkeys podcast they don't really have anything to talk about


by Nizza k

Unfortunately ACR didn't even bother saying ****. It's a shame. This room is the worst. Anyway we still believe it will work out. We are going to start posting on twitter and other social medias. I ask for those who wants to help, to keep spreading the word as much as possible. Thanks !

BTW , did they answer you angelar ?

No answer, but honestly at this point I don´t know what else I can do. If you get some kind of update would love to hear.

I have tried to reach out team pros like Ceegee or Weazel but they do not give a ****, I am really getting tired of this whole situation.


by angelar98 k

No answer, but honestly at this point I don´t know what else I can do. If you get some kind of update would love to hear.

I have tried to reach out team pros like Ceegee or Weazel but they do not give a ****, I am really getting tired of this whole situation.

I understand this is a shitty situation for you guys.

I want to reiterate. I am not responsible for anything related to game integrity. I'm just an ambassador. I have no say when it comes to anything involving banning or unbanning. ACR ambassadors or Team Pros have nothing to do with this whole scenario. Game integrity is who you need to discuss this with, and if they won't hear you out, it won't help anything for me to ask them. I also don't have ANY information on this case, they don't discuss anything with us.


by mayd_dawg k

Could it be they found the large pots with middling holdings between the stable-mates suspicious? Looks to me like the pot was intentionally juiced for the rewards.

If sites like GG Poker and Pokerstars will scheme customers what do you expect from any other site?



Wow Im shocked that a poker site that puts their ads on porn sites would not be completely on the up and up


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by zinhao k

I understand where you're going with these questions and although I have very little hope that you have the will to understand, I'll try:

We don't need to, no one in the world needs to do this. If you go to hh***********, statname.net, ********.com, you can buy a database larger than any stable is capable of producing. This war on stables and public opinion against us is just a tool that the websites managed to shove down your throat so that you come up with these bizarre accusations or these max

This was your answer for the question if you are combining Meta hh for MDA purposes. We have someone on this forum openly talking about Meta's use of MDA and the database they have access to. You're not trying to get of on a technicality right? There's a 0% chance you don't add your horses hands to your database. 0.

Yes I created this account just to comment this. Apart from CFPs being pure cancer and there obviously being tons of reasons why OP and his friends could and most likely would soft-play, you're kinda lying? I understand English isn't your first language so perhaps meta has access to a huge database but doesn't add hands of their horses? Which I 100% would never believe btw.

Anyone who has worked with data seriously in any market would laugh at people who say this, as these accusations make no sense. That's not how MDA works.

As someone who works with data. What exactly are you claiming I would laugh at? Stables absolutely are a drain on the poker ecosystem. I fail to understand why you'd deny this.


https://mundopoker.com.br/noticias/geral...

Another scandal involving this trash site. Their ambassador were using RTA in game, he posted today excusing himself for it, and now its all fine ! It`s a fucking joke. This is what ppl deserve i guess, nowadays no one cares what happens to others until it happens to them. O some brazilian guys were banned for nothing after grinding insane volume ? fuck that i don't care, i can still play without them on the pool. O they don`t pay their streamers ? fuck that i dont care i don`t stream. O their ambassador were caught using RTA ? fuck that i don`t even play the venom.

While that they keep doing whatever they want. Allowing bots to play, banning whoever they want without any justification, and so on. Because when we expose all the shit they do, ppl still give a fuck. `` Oh you play for stable you deserve that ``. Yeah sure we all deserve a nasty company treating all of us like that. I am like everyone else am just a working men who chose poker as my carrier, i have family to sustain and bills to pay like everyone else. But who cares ... Until happens to you fuck all that let them do what they want !

For those that have a different view and are on our side. I ask you even if I don`t ever get unbanned again or ever see this money again, just keep supporting what is right. And let ppl know what a shit company ACR WPN is. And all their staff.

For the regs that accused us of RTA or being bots. you should be ashamed. LGLA fredbullit and their friends. They accused us because their wr were dropping, they couldn't handle the heat. Because they are weak regs that play there for years now ... And everyone knows they all know each other as well. Could be us accusing you guys ! how would it be them ? Instead of point fingers to other regs without asking or knowing, go study and get better, stop being those miserable regs you guys are.


by Nizza k

https://mundopoker.com.br/noticias/geral/nacho-barbero-posta-story-jogando-o-the-venom-deixa-vazar-gto-wizard-aberto-durante-sessao-e-se-justifica-confira/

Another scandal involving this trash site. Their ambassador were using RTA in game, he posted today excusing himself for it, and now its all fine ! It`s a ****ing joke. This is what ppl deserve i guess, nowadays no one cares what happens to others until it happens to them. O some brazilian guys were banned for nothing after grinding insane vo

This is laughable. I think the poker site got it right on this one.

These guys are a joke. Just look at this last message ... complaining about how nobody cares about stuff like this until it happens to them....how people should fight for what's right...he's just a hard working man, etc etc

What a joke!

-The poker site has had issues in the past, the OP knew this a played anyway, so he didn't gave a darn how many players got screwed over for various reasons in the past. He is a pro, he looked at the rakeback offers they were offering and made the business decision to give this "****" site a ton of his business (volume) with no concern whatsoever about how many players they screwed over before him.

-then he opens an account here to ask for help and try to pressure the site to pay him. Despite being a pro and never participating in any other issues of players getting screwed at various sites over the years. So he never gives a damn about anyone else or trying to help anyone else. Then he complains that nobody wants to help him!

Chances are Mizzi now plays on another site that most likely has screwed players over because they offer a better deal. Or maybe he quit online poker to become a player advocate and dedicates all his time to help players having issues with poker sites. Wonder which is more likely. GTFOOH


by Nizza k

https://mundopoker.com.br/noticias/geral/nacho-barbero-posta-story-jogando-o-the-venom-deixa-vazar-gto-wizard-aberto-durante-sessao-e-se-justifica-confira/

Another scandal involving this trash site. Their ambassador were using RTA in game, he posted today excusing himself for it, and now its all fine ! It`s a ****ing joke. This is what ppl deserve i guess, nowadays no one cares what happens to others until it happens to them. O some brazilian guys were banned for nothing after grinding insane vo

I mean this with all due respect but the only idiots here are you guys. The entire poker world knows ACR is a joke. They have dogshit reg ambassadors like Weazel defending them and that's it. They've had never ending cheating, rta, collusion and botting scandals since literally for ever.

I have absolutely 0 sympathy for you. 0.


might be a more respectable take if your name was not NormFinkelstein


by MoViN.tArGeT k

might be a more respectable take if your name was not NormFinkelstein

Tried to think of a name of someone who pisses me off just hearing him speak and here we are.

Hope it has the same effect on you and ruins your day.


by Nizza k

https://mundopoker.com.br/noticias/geral/nacho-barbero-posta-story-jogando-o-the-venom-deixa-vazar-gto-wizard-aberto-durante-sessao-e-se-justifica-confira/

Another scandal involving this trash site. Their ambassador were using RTA in game, he posted today excusing himself for it, and now its all fine ! It`s a ****ing joke. This is what ppl deserve i guess, nowadays no one cares what happens to others until it happens to them. O some brazilian guys were banned for nothing after grinding insane vo

They are a bunch of clowns that got lucky because of the terrible US poker regulations

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