How to approach suspected cheating ?

Yeah, that's exactly what he said.

I regret joining this thread. lol.

Looking a a few of your posts, I don't think you should be throwing around pejoratives like stupid.

But please elaborate where I have been stupid. (Though I certainly can and will claim ignorance about English football, but that is ignorance by choice.)
1. OP concept of how RFID works was completely incorrect and I consistently told him.
2. I (at others) explained how even if his flawed RFID understanding was possible the other difficulties.
3. I (and again others) explained how infrared bar coding could be used for cheating, but it would be a challenge in casino cash game. And even more difficult in a MTT.
4. I also multiple times admitted that cheating can (and does) happen in poker. Even told OP that the person he is accusing might be chearing, but OP has not presented anywhere close to credible evidence. I even told him one way using barcodes that OP actually could be cheating.
5. As to the Postle cheating and Veronica, I made no comments. By the time I hear anything on that cheating, it was well established that it almost certainly happened. (My first post in that thread was over 13K into it and multiple weeks after it starred. I claim no intimate knowledge of that entire affair.)

You seem to be hung up that cheating is possible and we should be diligent. I agree not only is it possible but it happens. Probably happening somewhere right now. But that doesn't change the fact that what OP presented was impossible with current RFID technology (though RFID certainly could be used to cheat but there are better, easier, less detecable ways.)

Should we be diligent? Of course. Have I been cheated personally? Probably. Definitely have found marked cards in use. But I am not worried 1 iota about being cheated in the manner OP claimed he thought was happening.
1. It is not possible
2. I don't play streams so RFID embedded cards would immediately raise suspicions
3. I have not witnessed any particular suspicious activity.

So again, do you really want to go around tossing out perjoratives? I will gladly go there if that is what you would like.

Fore, you have it spot on. I a casino, cheating is so exceedingly rare as to be ridiculous. It happens, but it is also usual6caught so quickly.

Cheating in a casino either involves super high tech technology such as a micro camera that can be positioned UNDERNEATH a dealers pitch so as to read each card as it is tossed, or it involves the help of a casino employee (I.e. an inside job). The first is really hard to do without being overly awkward. The second almost always gets caught because the insider is a greedy
******* and does something to get caught because there are reasonable casino policies that he would have to break on camera.

Casino cheating obviously happens, I have seen it personally. But it is so rare that any claims of casino cheating require extraordinary evidence in order to be taken seriously. Especially long term.

So far this thread has provided lots of allegations, but little in the way of actual evidence. However that doesn't stop people from jumping to silly conclusions.

Yes and he disappeared from the poker scene in Houston. There will likely be some other guy coming in to pull the same hustle once everyone forgets about this guy.

I took a polygraph test once, about 40 years ago. I was applying for a job as a waiter in a chain restaurant where I would be handling the cash customers paid with. They wanted to ask me a dozen questions to ascertain that I would not steal any of that money. They told me the questions in advance, and I knew that I would have to lie in answering five of them if I wanted to get hired (truthful answers would have disqualified me). I read two paragraphs in a college psychology textbook to learn how to beat a polygraph. I then beat the polygraph and got the job.

This is why polygraph tests are mostly inadmissible as evidence in court: They're too easy to beat and are therefore unreliable. They prove nothing.

But what country do you live in where a random citizen has the right to make an accusation and then demand that the accused take a polygraph test to prove his innocence? Because I don't live in that country and I don't want to live in that country.

OP, for what it's worth, if you go back and look at the early threads surrounding AP's POTRIPPER account and/or UB's NioNio account, both had the same levels of skepticism as this. It comes with the territory. The poker community repeatedly hears or reads claims of cheating/rigged games, etc. It's hard not to take a "oh no, not another one" stance.

This poster has some questions that certainly warrant answers, as they would either support or debunk any hypotheses of RFID-related shenanigans. If you can, will you shed some light on them?

2+2 is the village that has seen one too many shepherd boys come down the hill to cry "wolf" over the years. Consider raidalot as the one villager willing to stop and say, "Okay kid, I'm not saying I don't believe you, but before I run up the hill, please describe the sagittal crest of the animal you saw."

No. What I said was spot on. There is a huge difference between allegations and actual evidence. Unfortunately so many people do not understand the difference.

There are a very high percentage people on one side of the political aisle who believe allegations are enough to jail someone they do not like, yet bringing evidence to a grand jury, convincing them to charge a person, then go to court and go through the whole judicial process with jury, judge, and highly paid lawyers able to contest anything and everything and then getting convictions that survive multiple appeals to judges appointed by many different presidents still means the charges are political and therefore BS.

There is a huge difference between allegations and evidence. America and these boards would be better places if everyone understood the difference between the two.

Put a better way, any idiot can make allegations of cheating by posting odd plays that worked out in the short term.

None if that is evidence and should be scorned appropriately.

No other explanation needed.

As for the threat, lol.

While this is certainly true, the poker community should've switched its stance a long time ago when confronted with numerous actual cheating scandals. Live and online.

I don't think we'll hear back from the OP. He's made about 50 posts in the Politics forum since he last posted here. I will give him tremendous kudos for admitting he misunderstood something though.

It is doubtful the internet can survive this behavior.

I agree that the particular scenario described by OP is unlikely, especially in Nevada which has strong anti cheating laws and meaningful gaming enforcement.

However, there have been marked cards and devices used in WSOP events in Nevada and the casinos didn't care because it was poker so LEO didn't care.

In places like California it's not even clear that cheating at poker is illegal but it is clear you can do it on video and nothing will happen.

It was discussed during postle but you're gonna have to explain to a DA, judge and jury a bunch of poker stuff and the defense can get Mike Matasau or 100 other "pros" to say anything as expert witnesses for a dinner at Arby's. It's just not worth the trouble. Who really cares if some degenerate gamblers lost their money a bit more quickly?

It's been a while, but I've tried to find any record of someone facing legal consequences for cheating at poker in the US and never could find any.

We are just speculating. But if people will risk prison to emezzle from some crapoy office job, I don't see why they wouldn't make a nice living cheating at poker risk free.

If you're a decent player to begin with I'd guess 200k a year most or all tax free. just with collusion and marking cards wouldn't be very hard. But I'm not very knowledgeable about cheating methods.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ20ilE5...

Was about to post the same vid. The old heads in here really show their age on the subject.

Tough spot for sure.
If you suspect someone’s cheating, it’s usually better to collect solid evidence before saying anything publicly.
Accusations can easily backfire if there’s no proof, but reporting it privately to the site’s security team is the best first move.
Most poker rooms take these reports seriously now.

Next time villain wins a hand that you find suspicious, you can look under the table and see if anything is plugged into the USB port of the shuffle machine. If yes, take a pic and demand security. If no, ask for a new setup and see how villain reacts.

This just came across my subs feed, about halfway through it myself as I share this link:

So far, nothing new – the vulnerability of the Deckmate has been known for a while. But still interesting to see this demonstrated.

So your logic is you can infer stupidity of A solely based on something X says wo a word from A.

Wow you are amazing. That or this (will save the implication or inferences) is the height of truly absolute stupidity.

Sure close the thread based on a video with nearly zero applicability to anything OP posted.

Not to mention this cheating has never identified in a regulated casino.

Cheating at poker, even in a casino, isn’t that rare but this God mode method and similar schemes are exceedingly rare

Just deleted several posts that invoked politics. If it happens again, expect some bans.

I think SetTheLine said it best. You old heads are really showing your age.

Don’t confront them.
Start logging every weird hand dates, stacks, action
But be careful variance sometimes can look like cheating.

Do you think calling people "old heads" is a legitimate form of argument?

I am pretty sure I am older than you, but I also am willing to bet a decent amount of money that I am more knowledgeable about RFID and Bluetooth technologies than 99% of people.

The OP was talking about a casino environment. Las Vegas specifically. Inducing an RFID embedded deck or using a USB device on a shuffler is many orders of magnitude more complicated in a Las Vegas casino environment than in some home game or some unregulated stream.

The biggest public games in Las Vegas all take steps to make it very hard for outside decks to be entered into play or to have their shuffle machines to be hacked. There would absolutely have to be inside help, which will almost always eventually be caught.

Recognizing that showing a video of a hacked shuffler used in a set up private game does nothing to refute the fact that it is very different than a Las Vegas casino has nothing to do with age, it has to do with wisdom and understanding.

If you are looking for "God Mode" cheating in a regular Vegas game, the place to look is for extremely small pinhole cameras concealed in card holders or such that can be positioned underneath a dealers pitch to read the cards. Even that has issues and can be offset by having a dealer who slides rather than pitches cards.

I don't think you young pups realize how little you actually know.

Some of the old farts here could have coded the s/w to cheat using a DM2. But nothing in this/these cheating threads are new or unknown to us old farts.

We know the most likely method used for the Postle cheating. And it was most likely not cracking RFID (directly), nor invisible bar codes, nor mini fish eye cameras on the rail, nor the DM2 suseptability etc. But it was dependent on the game being on stream and dependent on insider help. This was well hashed here years ago.

We know and understand how RFID works (apparently much better than at least some young pups). We know that no rational direct crack has been proposed that is reasonably possible (and certainly not w/o inside help.) Again discussed multiple times here over the years.

We know and understand how invisible bar codes can and actually have been used for cheating. Been discussed here in depth years ago. We also know and understand the limitations of this being done inside a well run regulated casino. We know the difficulties getting such a deck into play, esp. w/o inside man.

We know and understand the DM2 weaknesses. We had detailed discussions here years ago including at least one person part of the team that cracked the code. Again, we also know that even that team admitted the difficulties of setting up such a system in the wild in a regulated casino environment. What we don't know is what if any mods have been made to DM2 since the susceptabilities were identified.

Bascially nothing in this thread or the ones spun out from it is new to the old farts here. It has all been discussed in detail years ago. We appear to understand the tech involved as well or better (certainly better in some cases) than the young pups.

The reality is that these high tech approaches (RFID readers, IR/UV bar code readers, DM2 reprogramming) while possible (at least 2 are) are extremely difficult to make happen in a regulated casino with reasonable security. And since the OP was about a MTT cheating, it is even more difficult than a cash game (since player has no table control).

More reality is you are more at risk from old fashioned cheats like deck stacking, card marking, collusion, etc than any of these.