Line check? For a bluff
Hey all; have a hand in a $1600 yesterday that is very basic but wonder if my line is good?
I don’t remember all the details but some minor ones.
Ok let’s guess we started at 800 level and stacks are roughly 40k in hand. Ok ep woman who is solid tourny reg I recognize from northeast raises to 2k, button flats, and I call in bb with J9o. I may have been sb and bb called also but not sure. I know I was first to act so it was either call from sb and bb called or I called from bb and button flatted her raise.
Flop is 10-8-2 (r). Goes xxx. Pot is 6.8k I think my in game memory was 6.5k so I might have blind level not right. Turn is 8. Brings fd. I lead 4k, she calls, and button folds. River is a 10? I bet 70% pot something like 10.5k into 14k-15k. She slightly tanks like 20 seconds and calls with A7o. Huh? I love my line but wow didn’t expect her to call that hand as I think 95-98% of population folds to river bet by me here. Thoughts? Ever donk lead flop- I say nope. I think line is fine- just bad luck we in against a solid sticky player. Thoughts?
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Seems fine, her turn call seems a little out there to me (to say nothing of A7o as an EP open).
Very very interesting hand.
Women will overcall bluffs by men because they think men will overbluff against them. That is the only explanation for what happened.
Your turn bet is extremely solid and against any man you take down the pot then and there.
The problem for you is the river double paired the board and turned A7 into a chopping hand some of the time and a winning hand if you were bluffing the turn which could happen with straight draws or any two overcards because you are first to act after the flop checked through.
If the board hadn't double paired on the river I think there is a chance your second bluff would have worked because she would lose to all AX where X>7. But it still might have failed anyway.
My guess is that if you knew her then she might have known you. Which would mean that on top of being a man you are also seen as a very aggressive, balanced bluffing guy. For a woman, that is going to be reason to call here.
Very very interesting hand.
Women will overcall bluffs by men because they think men will overbluff against them. That is the only explanation for what happened.
Your turn bet is extremely solid and against any man you take down the pot then and there.
The problem for you is the river double paired the board and turned A7 into a chopping hand some of the time and a winning hand if you were bluffing the turn which could happen with straight draws or any two overcards because you are first to act a
I actually goofed. The board wasn’t double paired and turn was like a low card that didn’t really make any logical straights for continue hands per se I would guess. I was just surprised she called A7o. She’s a solid northeast reg with solid results (I know Hendon mob can be deceiving bc you never know how much people play). I told her I recognized her and I def give off young kid aggro vibes so I feel that doesn’t help my cause (I’m going to be 35 next week and prolly look 25-28 in age- still getting carded in Vegas). I feel my image def gives off maniac/ super loose willing to bluff vibes even though I feel I’m quite the tag for most part. I def 3! Light and willing to bluff in spots with no showdown value though if I think they can work at a decent clip so maybe I’m wrong about tag status. (Maybe mix between tag and lag).
Another hand for you folks.
Is this a bad bluff spot?
$800 at Venetian. I make it 5k at 2.5k level ep either 44. Stack is 75k? So the open is a little bad but I’ll take the spot. Bb defends- is a rec player that seems super reccy. He folded 99 earlier face up after he flatted a raise of an lp opener and then bb jams 40bb and he folds- I think that is a mandatory call bc villian from bb is jamming a lot of Broadway and pps maybe even worse than 99 as a solid play trying to pick on lp opener and sb looks to fold a lot when they just flat.
On to hand- I open to 5k, bb defends. Older white gentleman who is passive. Flop 259. Xx. Turn K of hearts with 2 hearts. He check, I bet 10k into 14k. He calls. River Qx. He checks, I bet 30k into 34k. He slightly tank calls and shows down 77. Is this a bad spot to take by me? I feel he’s so unlikely to have Kx- it shows up but I felt this was great spot to go for it. Do you like? I love the play- just bummed he made a hero call here: it stunk bc if I have value- I get paid very well in this spot.
More hands- quick: player opens 3.5x in sb (tag agg euro). I have 46ss and call. My stack was maybe 20-30bb. You fine with call? I think it’s good in position and suited. Flop is 662. He cbets I call. Turn K of hearts. He check I check back to be sneaky. River maybe an 8? No heart. He leads 15k so like don’t know pot size. I had 43k behind and take 20
Seconds and jam. He sigh calls A7 two hearts lol. Very surprised by the call.
Another bb defend Vs sb. Ok sb looks like a good tourny reg I assume just based on his presence and chip stacking etc and how he has sized and played. Ok he completes and I bump table with 67hh (too good to raise and get blown off)In bb and call. Maybe 20-30 bb. Flop 824 with two hearts?. He leads 75% pot I call. Turn A black. He bets 70-80% pot I call. River Q of hearts. He checks. I wanna say pot was 40-60k. I have 43k behind. I tank for 15-20 seconds and jam to go for max value hopefully from Ax that slow played. I thought he’s either calling strongish hands or folding so might as well go max value. He tank folds and say that is what he gets for getting trappy. You ok with his river jam? He said he prolly would have called 15k value bet on river. Thoughts?
I feel I have an aggro crazy image that will shoot for a bluff with no hand to win a hand so might as well go for max value in spot like this. If he has Ax, I find the fold hard to make in a sb Vs bb spot also. I assume he had A but maybe just a big pair? I’m never checking back Ax pre here in a sb Vs bb spot so I have no Ax in my range honestly and he does. Sorry for no stack info, he had a lot of chips and I had like 20-40bb stack prolly. I should write down my hands during play but don’t do it normally.
Another hand for you folks.
Is this a bad bluff spot?
$800 at Venetian. I make it 5k at 2.5k level ep either 44. Stack is 75k? So the open is a little bad but IÂ’ll take the spot. Bb defends- is a rec player that seems super reccy. He folded 99 earlier face up after he flatted a raise of an lp opener and then bb jams 40bb and he folds- I think that is a mandatory call bc villian from bb is jamming a lot of Broadway and pps maybe even worse than 99 as a solid play trying to pick on lp opene
Couple of my food for thoughts
Thanks for this- last hand I felt he might over big pair or Ax that was trapping bc I’m super aggro and look like a maniac young kid so I feel people think I’ll raise very light in sb Vs bb spots- I will raise my bottom range hands that easily will not continue to a sb re raise.
It was like mid stages 100 left of 240 and stacks were fairly shallower for mid stages like maybe 40-50bb avg stack. I feel maybe im supposed to exploit bet small for value to get crying calls. I felt all in looked bluffy and was under pot size- and will need to be done sometimes with air and no value hands. I thought I might as well go for max value bc maybe he can’t fold Ax or another hand bc I almost never have Ax in this spot. Btw flop- I only had a flush draw and not real straight except for 2 cards running out perfect to make it- I think flop was wrong. I prolly GII with flush draw and straight draw to put max pressure.
Thanks for this- last hand I felt he might over big pair or Ax that was trapping bc I’m super aggro and look like a maniac young kid so I feel people think I’ll raise very light in sb Vs bb spots- I will raise my bottom range hands that easily will not continue to a sb re raise.
It was like mid stages 100 left of 240 and stacks were fairly shallower for mid stages like maybe 40-50bb avg stack. I feel maybe im supposed to exploit bet small for value to get crying calls. I felt all in looked bluff
I think unless he had AQ specifically that he gets to on river, which I think he has to probably check river planning to call at some frequency (unless he has Ah perhaps), any other AK, AJ or some two pair can find a fold here IMO, especially if he is a good tourney reg in your eyes. If you have him pinned for a strong Ax pair holding at minimum (and it seems like the case), surely he knows that is what you're putting him on and it's likely your jamming for value with something that beats a strong Ax, AA, QQ, AQ vs having a bluff in this spot. So I think if opp is capable of a big lay down like that when flush completes, I'd take the get some value road over no value going for max value, or hope they take it for weakness and overvalue their holding so then you get max value (especially if they openly said they were trying to play trappy, I think this in future would lend me to assume they are going to have some hands you will beat in this scenarios if you let them value own themselves). It's an interesting spot BvB.
Regarding the other 3 hands posted
Hand 1: I am probably betting this flop. After you check the flop, I think you can go smaller on the turn. You can get the player to fold by betting 6K. The river bomb is not needed. I think you get the same results by betting 10 - 15K. I mean, by increasing your bet size you increase your fold equity, but maybe not as much as it should be increasing based on the villain. I think your imagine might need a bit of work if you are getting called this light.
Hand 2: Wow very loose river call by him. Your sneaky check worked. He must have put you on 54 or something.
Hand 3: Hindsight is 20/20. If you are going to call a large bet on the turn, he has to be calling the river jam often enough when you hit to make this +EV. If the river was a black Q, and he checks, what are you doing in your spot? Are you giving up or are you blasting? It's not a great spot to bluff. I would normally fold on the turn if the bet is large enough.