Pokercoaching GTO RFI and 3bet Charts for 100, 75, 40, 25 , and 15 BB

Pokercoaching GTO RFI and 3bet Charts for 100, 75, 40, 25 , and 15 BB

First, how good are the GTO opening charts at various stack sizes on this site?
https://pokercoaching.com/tools/downloa...

Second, can a winning player really play this loose in a live tournament? The pros in the NLH live cash forum dump on GTO all the time. What can of range do pros in live tournament play today against the middling players? Is the rake just too high in casino tournaments to make money?

In the last decades, I've studied NLH cash live for hundreds of hours. I've given only a few hours to tournaments. I use to play a lot of live tournaments fifteen years ago. Has the game changed?

Thanks so much for your opinions.

21 June 2024 at 11:58 AM
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antes plus no rake means you can play a lot wider.


by adonson k

The pros in the NLH live cash forum dump on GTO all the time.

I would take whatever the LLSNL “pros” say with an entire ocean of salt.


by adonson k

First, how good are the GTO opening charts at various stack sizes on this site?
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Second, can a winning player really play this loose in a live tournament? The pros in the NLH live cash forum dump on GTO all the time. What can of range do pros in live tournament play today against the middling players? Is the rake just too high in casino tournaments to make money?

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One way - not that it will provide all the info you need though - is to watch a couple of the many videos from bigger tournaments you can find on YT. Some like the main event on EPT (European Poker Tour) from the last couple of years has extensive coverage from day 1 on the tourney with changing feature tables where you can see the players cards. Investing a number of hours will definately give you at least at better grip on what hands people in general play and how they play 'em. Pay attention to how hand ranges are affected by stack depths.


The game has changed, mostly due to a much better understanding of what constitutes optimal RFI ranges.

Short answer - the charts are reasonable, if anything, they're probably somewhat tighter than you'll see good players play.

As far as whether you can beat the rake in live tournaments, the answer is that yes, you can. It's not easy and you're not going to make a ton of money, but a reasonably studied player can easily have a 35%+ ROI in low-to-mid stakes mostly because the player pool is generally pretty unstudied. At higher stakes the rake as a percentage of your buy-in is lower, but your edge is also significantly lower as the player pool as a whole is more competent.


While I won't defend everything Jonathan Little has ever said, it's worth noting that he was mocked by his competitors earlier this year for being out of step with the latest GTO stuff, then won two trophies at an extremely selective PokerGo series. He did run very well but it takes massive skill and mental game to overcome those fields.

So yeah, I've found most of his training material to be good. I do think the game has changed massively but unless you're playing very high stakes I think there is still lots of edge to be had in live events. I do play in FL where the fields are notoriously soft.


by LifeNitFL k

While I won't defend everything Jonathan Little has ever said, it's worth noting that he was mocked by his competitors earlier this year for being out of step with the latest GTO stuff, then won two trophies at an extremely selective PokerGo series. He did run very well but it takes massive skill and mental game to overcome those fields.

So yeah, I've found most of his training material to be good. I do think the game has changed massively but unless you're playing very high stakes I think there

When it comes to LOW/MID isn't also somewhat low ROI to invest hundreds of hours and hundreds of $ trying to keep up fully with the "latest GTO stuff"? Poker is already a game of "pushing small edges" and the more you get into detailed analysis of specific situations, the more the law of diminishing marginal utility will come into effect. Especially in a field where a majority of the players doesn't play anything close to GTO anyway.

I also think Little has some good advice for people like me trying to get some deeper understanding of the game on this stakes. Like he says don't call big riverbets a lot on this levels of BI with marginal hands. Because most players won't have a balanced range of valuebets and bluffs, so you won't run into the latter more than occasionally. He's less clear though on the topic how to adjust if you suspect your opponent opens way tighter than the charts suggests. At least if it's a reasonably good player and from EP logic would dictate you should fold the lower part of both your calling and 3b-range.

And to me he seems definately very good in staying focused and observing his opponents during live play. That will probably give him an edge over a couple of other pros that will more than compensate for being less well studied (if that's true) in the most recent and most detailed aspects of GTO play.


by jpgiro k

the charts are reasonable, if anything, they're probably somewhat tighter than you'll see good players play.

Thank you for the advice. I played with the Little's GTO charts last night. I busted out disastrously, never taking down a pot preflop, even though I once raised too high to 5x, and missing every flop in mostly multiway pots. I blamed the charts. I vowed to play my regular cash ranges and just pay attention to stack sizes and +ev plays. In cash, everyone plays too many hands. I got the same impression in the tournament. Against this player pool calling raises wide, it seems better to play tighter and raise more.

But I'm open to what people say who know more about tournaments than I.

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