WSOP Mini Main $1,000 another 994 flop
We are early in the WSOP Mini Main tournament (3rd level). We started with 60,000 chips levels are 30 minutes. I have about 73,000 chips.
UTG has about 55,000 chips and is a middle aged black man with a mustache and goatee (slightly overweight). He hasn't played a lot of hands, he does not seem aggro. I haven't seen him raise on any post flop street.
UTG raises to 1,000 blinds are 200/400 400 BB ante. UTG+1 calls folds to me in the BB I call with K9s.
Flop is 994 no flush draw but one of my suit. I check UTG bets 1,000, UTG+1 calls, I call.
Turn is T not my suit and does create a flush draw. I check UTG bets 3,000, fold, I think for a moment and decide to call (this is literally what happened to me at Mohegan Sun on the same flop with a T on the turn that creates a flush draw). I don't raise because UTG can have TT and A9 and I just don't want my nightmare to happen again.
River is a 2 no flush. I check UTG bets 15,000 which is about 3,000 more than pot. Lol. I am not going to raise. The bet sizing seems polarizing so I know its likely I can be beat. I don't think Villain is doing this with JJ+. Bet sizing there would be about 6,000 or so or a check back in case I have 9x. I really don't think about it much and call. Should I have folded? Should I have led out for 6,000 and if I get raised I fold?
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With the info give on the villain, folding is out of the question (not enough info on the player to make this hero fold). Your hand is so under repped. You are beating some the villain 's value range.
UTG shouldn't have that many 9s in his range. If he has been tight, I wouldn't expect him to have A9 that often. He might be opening 98s or even 97s. TT T9 and 44 are all possible (But I would discount 44 slightly because he is UTG). I think you just have to sigh call in this spot.
People do some wacky things in this tournament. I saw some things that really made me go wtf?!!? (eg. someone mini 3 betting AA preflop and then checking flop and overbetting turn for 2 x pot). Basically, the spazz factor is really high here.
We beat all bluffs and stupid value.
We beat every 9 except A9.
This is an auto call, and honestly vs some players I’m probably still jamming river.
This OP sounds a lot like results-oriented thinking.
Because you flopped a really strong hand, underplayed it, and you said you called the river and now you're wondering if you should have folded instead.
I agree the river overbet is polarizing, but I don't think you can ever fold.
I definitely underplayed my hand but it makes it look like I can have a smallish PP as well as a 9x hand. I don't think an overpair will bet all 3 post flop streets, at least not all the time so I wondered if I should have laid out a smallish river bet like 25% to 33% pot (3000 to 4000) to see if an overpair would just call. If I got raised then maybe it would make sense to fold.
Also, how many times (or the % of time) in these types of tournaments do people actually bluff by betting more than pot on the river? This has happened to me about 3 times on my current trip and each time the player has had very strong hands. Similarly in the past, aside from my time in Prague at Rebuy Stars, I can't remember any oversize bets on the river that weren't strong hands (sets or better). In Rebuy Stars it happened as a bluff a few times and each time it was a hyper aggro player (mostly youngish). Here because it wasn't a hyper aggro player I wonder if I should have folded. But I am curious if others have seen bluffs of this size from players who don't otherwise seem very aggro.
Here the guy had 44. I am not sure if I had bet the river if he would have raised with that hand or just called anyway. Because of the nature of the flop I would have to have exactly T9 for Villain to be behind so I think he would have raised my river bet. But I'm not sure. He might have just called.
Part of the reason I didn't lead out the river was because I don't think it would be perceived as a bluff. There are very few hands that I would call a UTG cbet on the flop that could be bluffs. It would basically need to be a PP or Tx so there is no reason i would lead out the river with a hand like that. I would basically only be leading out with 9x hands (which i think would let Villain play perfectly).
Like you suggest blocking and folding to a raise.
But what else do we use block bets for? To induce bluffs.
So your going to block bet with your monster, someone is going to bluff jam with air, and then you proudly fold trips!
We are early in the WSOP Mini Main tournament (3rd level). We started with 60,000 chips levels are 30 minutes. I have about 73,000 chips.
UTG has about 55,000 chips and is a middle aged black man with a mustache and goatee (slightly overweight). He hasn't played a lot of hands, he does not seem aggro. I haven't seen him raise on any post flop street.
UTG raises to 1,000 blinds are 200/400 400 BB ante. UTG+1 calls folds to me in the BB I call with K9s.
Flop is 994 no flush draw but one of my
I would 3! Pre sometimes here but I’m fine with the flatting based on fact it was utg and utg+1. I think you have to raise flop or turn. Idk why you wouldn’t raise turn based on how under repped your hand is. I’m fine with not raising flop bc hand is super face up if you do based on how dry the board is. I would raise turn to build pot and set up a chunky value bet on river.
I’m never holding river. Just call I guess? If you lose- bad luck. I think line is way too passive for how many bbs are in play. Gotta raise turn.