Should I just follow PUSH & FOLD charts?
So I am a cash games player and I play on this local regulated browser no sw **** site which only pays 10% rb. There is a catch though! You can't even convert the RB into cash. You have to spend it as tournament entries. So I play this ~$15 tournament every time I get enough of their rb points to get in. Somehow I got some deep runs but I say it's a combination of luck and extreme fishiness of the field.
I have a few questions. I don't plan on playing MTTs beyond these rb entry ones twice a week. I only wanna get down some basic stuff. The tournament I play is an 8-max rebuy tournament with antes. There is usually about 200-250 entries and about 35-50 people get paid.
1) Should I just stall on the bubble as a short stack or should I just follow the push or fold charts no matter what?
2) Once I get into the money should the strategy change from the early money to the play on the final table? On the final table the payout grows exponentially.
Or should none of this even matter and I should always play the charts? Since I know next to nothing about tournaments by charts I mean the first thing I found on google:
https://upswingpoker.com/push-fold-tourn...
Yesterday when I played I only followed the charts once I became one of the shortest stacks at the table and otherwise played way tighter than the charts say. I somehow think I might have messed it up because of that. I got to the final table as a midstack (there was one guy with 1.2m chips, I (and two other guys) had around 550k and there were 3 guys with 200-350k chips) played quite tight until I blinded out to less than 10bbs and eventually lost a flip when I shoved 67s on the SB into the BB chipleader and busted as 6th out of the 8 players.
This was the payout structure (money is in a local currency so divide by 23.5)
Thanks for any suggestions.
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Most people push tighter than the charts and that is generally bad. There are ICM issues so you sometimes should push somewhat tighter. Sometimes you can push looser than the charts because others are calling tighter than is optimal. It also can be difficult for them to call / raise/ shove over your shove with other big stacks behind them.
If you have 15-30xBB, you can sometimes open shove, and the charts may say it is a shove, but that is usually not the best play. It is usually better to raise with a 20xBB stack than open shove. There are also possibilities to shove over a raise, over a raise and callers, or over limps.
Most people push tighter than the charts and that is generally bad. There are ICM issues so you sometimes should push somewhat tighter. Sometimes you can push looser than the charts because others are calling tighter than is optimal. It also can be difficult for them to call / raise/ shove over your shove with other big stacks behind them.
If you have 15-30xBB, you can sometimes open shove, and the charts may say it is a shove, but that is usually not the best play. It is usually better to raise
Well the charts from upswing show shoving ranges only for 10bb and for 15bb. Yeah I personally wouldn't really shove a larger stack. Given the structure of payout you see above when would you push tighter? Only while on the bubble?
Well the charts from upswing show shoving ranges only for 10bb and for 15bb. Yeah I personally wouldn't really shove a larger stack. Given the structure of payout you see above when would you push tighter? Only while on the bubble?
Sometimes you should shove tighter due to ICM. The bubble isn't usually that important. With 15xBB, you should often minraise or maybe limp, rather than shoving everything. With less than 10xBB, you should shove much looser than with 10xBB.
No because not 100% of your range is going to be an open shove.
Shoving range is also influenced by the stacks behind ,you can shove wider with big stacks behind.
This is because the big stacks in sandwich can't risk to call you wide due to the possible reshove of the later ones.
