My short stack is limp
How do you approach open limping on a short stack?
When going through the GTOw preflop charts, it seems like it's an all-or-nothing approach - either raising or limping.
In GTOw settings, we have the option to allow limps. It seems like the model simply replaces the openings with limping, but with a wider limping range. So then...
- WHY are we limping in the first place?
- Do we ever combine the ranges as a mixed strategy? If so, what frequency?
- Is it a situation similar to our approach in the SB vs BB, where we are either limping all or opening all (at certain stack depths)?
- If so, is there a training program where we can implement these combined ranges and frequencies? GTOw doesn't seem to have this (outside of range builder) so far as I can see.
The attachments show a button opening range at 12bb symmetrical stacks at an 8 handed table - with limps and without limps.
Thanks!
4 Replies
I don’t like limping and letting the big blind in for free. I prefer the min raise when short stacked or the shove if first in the pot.
I think the bigger question is: having limped pre what do we do with our limping range when -
a) we get raised?
b) we miss a flop, but have some range advantage?
c) we smash the flop
The only place I ever limp pre-flop is the SB. I would continue to limp in the SB with a wide range when short stacked. Some of the time I will c/r all in.
If I have a raising hand not in the SB or BB and <15 bb's I will jam always. I hate playing OOP with a short stack. Also, with hands like Ax we have a good chance of taking it down preflop. People may call with 2 broadways which will turn out great for us a lot of the time regardless of whether we hit the flop or not.
yes sb is the only place makes sense, super hard to develop optimal limping ranges when SS, better shove or fold
