My First Time FT! How to play this common pair hand?

My First Time FT! How to play this common pair hand?


I am very afraid of death in FT (because this is my first time) and finally folded this hand. However, I called 3b...

I don't know how to play this hand... Maybe something wrong with my preflop...

**Very thanks if someone recommands me some MTT textbooks or softwares.**

(I don't know whether it is legal in 2+2 to post a screenshot about a particular platform with a currently running tournament. If it is illegal, please tell me!)

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17 July 2024 at 06:10 PM
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Maybe useful stucture?



min raising and folding to the 3bet it pretty standard here.

As played postflop isnt horrible. Maybe stab a little smaller on the turn.


Preflop , raise to steal is fine, never want to flat 3bets this stack depth out of position,
There are spots to 4bet jam but I think vs plus 1 is one to pass up ,

Call is going to be worse of the 3 options

Turn bet doesn't make sense , his hands you beat you don't really need protection against since they have 3 outs when they check back turn

River is good you folded to not compound mistakes made on former streets

In future avoid just calling 3bets in final tables unless very deep stack


Ax is going to have 5 outs on QQ5. Thats why turn stab isnt horrible, some thin value vs a mostly Ax range on the turn.

But we agree that this isnt a spot we should ever find ourselves in either


Fold or 4-bet pre.


IÂ’m assuming the stack sizes in the screen shot are after the hand was completed. If so you had about a 21 BB stack. Like others have said either shove or fold at this stack depth. If these stacks were the ones before the hand though, you had about an 11BB stack. You might want to consider just an open shove at that size, but IÂ’m not sure A5o should be in your shoving range from early position. On the button or SB if folded to you, then absolutely. UTG+1 at an 8 handed table, maybe not.


With 11.5 bb's I am always jamming with A5s here. We are the second shortest stack, the pay jumps are small at this point, we will likely get folds from hands like A2-A9 and possibly AT/AJ sometimes. Even 66/77 will fold sometimes. I have had AK tank call here.

As played I would never call the 3-bet and I would never jam with no Fold Equity.


by Mr Rick k

With 11.5 bb's I am always jamming with A5s here.

I think he has 11.5BB after the hand ends, not when it starts.

by stremba70 k

I'm not sure A5o should be in your shoving range from early position.

It's suited.


It is possible to flat a 3 bet with like suited broadway in this situation, but generally it should be raise fold. This hanb is a standard raise fold here. In general you should almost never flat call a 3 bet with axs. Either 4bet bluff or fold. I don't like betting the turn. It isn't a value bet ir bluff.


I would definitely recommend studying some ICM concepts and general theory on final table play as well. Beyond the range things mentioned here, you gave away nearly half your stack and cost yourself a lot of real-money equity. Your chips are extremely valuable at the final table, moving up the pay ladder is valuable, and you've given up the chip advantage you had over two shorter stacks in a situation where you got yourself in a 3-bet pot with a difficult hand to play out of position.

Given the positions, I would probably fold rather than 4-bet shove, but if I thought my opponent was smart enough to try to leverage the situation to pressure me light, then I would shove.


Yeah this is a good hand to 4 bet shave with if you think the 3 bettor is bluffing often. You are probably just deep enough


by nath k

I think he has 11.5BB after the hand ends, not when it starts.

You are right... He had about 18 bb's when the hand started. So I wouldn't jam I would minraise like what was done. And I would fold to the 3bet because we are typically about 33% to stay in if we jam and are called, and calling the 3 bet is mostly going to cost us.


by Mr Rick k

You are right... He had about 18 bb's when the hand started.

I count closer to 22.5. (If I added the numbers correctly, he started the hand with 626,470 chips at a 28,000 BB.)

Which is enough to have fold equity with a 4-bet shove, but you really gotta be confident your opponent has a significant percentage of 3-bet/folds here. The positions make that less likely and, while OP didn't provide the stakes, I'm guessing they're low enough that it's also not likely.

OP, probably the quickest primer for this stuff is Dara O'Kearney's Endgame Poker Strategy. Now, you don't want to follow it literally-- for example, just because it discusses the difference between 20BB shoving ranges at chipEV and at a final table, doesn't mean you should be shoving every hand you play when you get to 20BB-- but the basic concepts of how you tighten the bottom of your range, how you change what kind of hands you play, the importance of leveraging fold equity, and not putting yourself in a position to bust out when you can make more money by moving up, are very important.


by nath k

I count closer to 22.5. (If I added the numbers correctly, he started the hand with 626,470 chips at a 28,000 BB.)

Which is enough to have fold equity with a 4-bet shove, but you really gotta be confident your opponent has a significant percentage of 3-bet/folds here. The positions make that less likely and, while OP didn't provide the stakes, I'm guessing they're low enough that it's also not likely.

OP, probably the quickest primer for this stuff is Dara O'Kearney's Endgame Poker Strategy. Now,

You are right again (I missed the call at the bottom on the flop...)


I don't think folding preflop is terrible here. We are in early position and folding gives a chance to two other small stacks to go out before we do.

Obviously a min raise is GTO but there's something to be said for keeping ourselves out of tricky situations OOP.


by WhoAmI-GG k

I am very afraid of death in FT (because this is my first time) and finally folded this hand. However, I called 3b...

I don't know how to play this hand... Maybe something wrong with my preflop...

**Very thanks if someone recommands me some MTT textbooks or softwares.**

(I don't know whether it is legal in 2+2 to post a screenshot about a particular platform with a currently running tournament. If it is illegal, please tell me!)

Unrelated to the play itself, if you want to anonymise the players names, in the top right, the third button from the corner (looks like a sneaky detective, aka also the incognito mode on Chrome), automatically does that for you, so you don't have to cross out the names

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