Raise/Folds...
With 20 left in a Venetian $400....
All hands have same main Villain.
Hero starts hand one with about 25BB on the button. SB has about 15BB, BB (MV) has 17BB. I min raise QTs, BB jams, I fold.
Hand 2, next hand, I min raise Cutoff with AJo, SB jams 20.5BB, BB, with 10BBs says how much he hates this hand, but puts his chips in. Hero folds. SB had 88 and BB had AK
Hand 3, I open UTG (6 handed, so LoJack) with 77. Main Villain jams from cutoff, for more than 30 effective (there is a covering stack behind him). I had about 21 BB to start the hand, and fold.
Hand 4, I open the Button with QQ off 21BB, Villain starts to look at my stack, I am salivating, and of course he shoves, and I snap.
Can I play any of hands 1-3 differently?
Hand 1, I could just open jam with my decent suited broadway, covering both stacks with some ICM pressure. I want to have min raises that play well post, and would rather open jam stuff like small pairs, and Axo combos. Calling off seems bad.
Hand 2 was going to be a call until the third player called, especially with his speech about hating this hand (usually AK, or JJ, neither of which makes me want to call).
Hand 3 seems like a pretty easy fold; He just doesn't have any pairs below mine, and has a lot of pairs that dominate mine (though I doubt he has KK+).
Hand 4 is just a bad beat story; I finally have the snap call and lose to KJo.
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BTW, this was a 2 day, so we are well in the $ (372 runners)
Hand 1 I think you played perfectly. Jamming at 17 bb's effective is doable I just wouldn't with QTs. Too many questionable calls that are ahead of us and really almost none that aren't. Also if we get called we are in good position.
Hand 2 given its against the same Villain who might 3 bet wide in the SB it can be a call after BB calls with 10 bb's. I would likely fold in this spot but if Villain had been previously 3-betting wide in the SB (like with any Ax) I would call.
Hand 3 is again a bit tricky. Villain has been going crazy and I might just call hoping its a flip. I have done that with 66 as well. Because there are 20 left and the pay bumps are still low this might be the spot to try to double up.
Hand 4 is of course a great spot at about 70% to double up.
Hand 1 I probably open jam because it's exactly the kind of hand I don't want to raise/fold. Make them fold their Ax instead of rejamming it on you. You generally still have good equity when called, and with 20 left you can put the ICM pressure on them.
Hands 2-4 I think are fine and your analysis makes sense.
I play all four hands exactly the same.
Open jamming hand 1 can’t be that bad but still plays better as a r/f imo. No need to let them cooler you when they wake up. Points well reasoned from Nath on open jamming. I just think in soft fields the r/f is gonna be slightly better. I think it’s fine to r/f QT and raise/call a few pips stronger in this exact spot (assuming V isn’t a nit). You can r/c KQ+ for example and somethin like A9+ (don’t quote me on these ranges).
Also, "20 left" isn't necessarily a useful description without knowing field size, payouts, etc.
More about hand 1 r/f. Agree with Rick about being IP. Bb will defend hands we dominate which is a great result for playing a pot IP. They call all kinds of Tx and Qx that will flop top pair and we get to stack them. They fold all of those to a jam. That’s very valuable.
Sorry, I gotta read closer.
I'm gonna reemphasize the QTs as a shove. The ICM pressure is definitely increasing as deep as we are in the tourney-- you can get a ton of hands that are ahead of you and might reshove to fold. QJ and KT are going to fold which is a huge win for you. You fold some pairs and Ax hands that would shove, you still flip with a number of the pairs that call. At these depths even KQ might fold-- KQo is almost certainly a fold. You're only really looking bad against TT+/AQ+.
Sorry, I gotta read closer.
I'm gonna reemphasize the QTs as a shove. The ICM pressure is definitely increasing as deep as we are in the tourney-- you can get a ton of hands that are ahead of you and might reshove to fold. QJ and KT are going to fold which is a huge win for you. You fold some pairs and Ax hands that would shove, you still flip with a number of the pairs that call. At these depths even KQ might fold-- KQo is almost certainly a fold. You're only really looking bad against TT+/AQ+.
QTs is definitely a plus EV shove here. No doubt about it...
I will say the ICM pressure is there, but not quite as high as it might be; we are still 10 eliminations away from the FT bubble when the ICM is at its greatest.
Also, Villain had less than 1/2 average stack at that point.
If hand #3 was hand #1, I would fold to the jam in a heartbeat. But being the 3rd (and it looks like it happened shortly after #1 and #2), it's more tricky since villain seems very active.
hand 3 utg, if your default is to open/fold 77 w 21bbe on that table, maybe just fold it utg?
hand 3 utg, if your default is to open/fold 77 w 21bbe on that table, maybe just fold it utg?
It was a 6 handed table, so LoJack. Not open folding this. There were shorter stacks as well where I could comfortably call a jam.
Yeah I don't think that's fair to assume that's the "default," so much as it is the response when someone jams more than 30BB over an open even with a covering stack behind.
