$400 deep stack mid stages hand review
Hey all, have a hand I want to post that really put me in a tough spot. I will not post results until after hand has some discussion.
Ok i get moved to a new table and have prolly 450k? At 5k level so very deep while average is prolly 140-160k? No history on player to my left.. Ok guy I’ve played with before opens to 16k at 5k level on a 20bb stack from ep or utg. I have QQ to his left and flat. Guy to my left makes it 50k- I have no history on him but he’s like mawg or a little older with prolly 600k in chips. I put him on tighter side with way he is dressed- not flashy. Goes back to utg and he jams 20bb. I call. Guy to my left calls. Flop 246 or similar texture. I cbet 80k into 320-330k. Guy to my left snap ships. I tank and don’t know what to do. Thoughts on our reply? This spot was very tough for me bc I didn’t know anything about him and just felt his range is JJ+ AK+ pre and i would take out AK from the flop jam bc he’s not jamming AK on flop.
I prolly should 3! The 16k but just felt like 3! A 3.2x open looks super strong and is going to eliminate any squeezes (not that people really squeeze enough live in lower stake mtts).
More hands I just want to post for the lols- not real questions.
Early stages someone opens to 3x, I 3! A5hh and we see flop vs 3 others. Flop 789 with two hearts. Somehow we get it in against Q2hh and 56o lol and spike a heart on turn. Game is good when Q2 and 56o are calling 3!.
This one is hilarious. I have heaps. Button opens to 2.5k at 1200 level. I make it 8.5k from sb with K5ss. Bb is a woman who flats and button folds. Flop is J46 with two spades. I check she bets 10k, I raise to 30k hoping we get it in- she flats. After this I’m
Like uh oh she’s loaded with a hand. Turn is a 2(red). I bet 10k to block and she jams 47.5k. I call due to math and she shows QQ. River is a red King. Lol
I think she needs to click back with a 4! Pre- even if it’s small: just smart to get it in and lower spr. If she min clicks it, I lol at myself and fold. Letting me realize equity is blah.
This one is prolly one of best calls of my life. I open A-10ss to 8k from mp and sb and bb call. Flop Q68 with two diamonds. I cbet 7k into 28k and both call. Turn 3. Xx and I bet 30k into 49k pot and bb calls. River is a 2d. Bb leads 55k into 109k with a donk lead. I tank and go wtf is he leading here with- most normal people are checking if they have the goods bc they expect me to bet river. I sigh call and show A-10ss and he just keeps looking at his cards before mucking. His line made no sense and I just felt he had complete air like 57o or something with a diamond. It’s a risky call but like not
Sure what is betting 1/2 pot on river after checking flop and turn.
Btw I’ll prolly get bashed here- I know my play is super laggy. I feel in these big field mtts with a blah structure- it’s best to take high variance routes and try to accumulate chips. I’ve noticed it’s easy to really hammer aggression if you get to a flop heads-up in 3! Spots where you can just rep a super strong hand. It can lead to chip spewing at times but when it works- easy to build a big stack and run over a table. I still think people at times have trouble countering my style which is kinda blah. Too many times I’ll
Bet flop and turn against an old man and plan to shut down river but they will donk lead river with a strong hand not realizing they allow me to play perfectly against their river bet by folding- sometimes you gotta risk getting a check back with a nutty hand if you are in a hand against an aggressive person. Too many times I check a river to induce a bluff from a no showdown possible hand when I have a strong hand bc their is more value in them betting their trash vs me betting and then folding.
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I would have 3-bet pre-flop with QQ vs 20 bb guy who opened to 16k (just over 3x) preflop. Given you called and guy to your left 3 bet to 50k and UTG jammed with 20 bb's that is a tough spot because Villain on your left can jam and it would be a tough call as he can have AA/KK and AK (some of the time) and maybe even JJ/TT...
As played I don't get why you say you "cbet 80k" when you didn't raise preflop. Did you donk 80k? Not sure why. Anyway Villain jams and I guess I call and hope he has AK or JJ because you have under repped your hand so much up until now. Also even though it looks like he doesn't have AK I think he can because he didn't jam preflop. I think he jams at least some of the time with AA/KK. But with AK and no side pot he might just want to see what happens on the flop. Though your donk means you could have a pair so maybe he would just call with AK. Still he can have JJ/TT because you didn't raise preflop so QQ+ does not look like a hand you can have.
As to the other hands I think Woman in BB should have jammed preflop with QQ and just taken it down.
Your call on the river with ATs is not something i would ever do. The flush got there and the sizing was a value bet not polarizing. I am wrong of course but I also wouldn't expect you to bet river after the flush got there (unless you have a flush or you block a flush with the A).
a-10 hand- nobody is betting thin value there to 55k with a donk lead, they are checking and calling with mid strength hands. Also most flush draws or straight draws should
Be raising flop or turn. It’s a weird spot but I just felt the donk lead is an attempt to win with no showdown value.
Hmm yea AK I feel is out the window for guy that 3! To 50k bc I feel he jams pre in that spot after I flat the 20bb shove.
I don’t think villian is 3! 10-10 honestly so JJ is bottom of his range.
Me too: ""Your call on the river with ATs is not something i would ever do. The flush got there and the sizing was a value bet not polarizing. I am wrong of course but I also wouldn't expect you to bet river after the flush got there (unless you have a flush or you block a flush with the A).""
Happy to fold hand 1 on flop given action so far.
He’s very much weighted towards KK/AA
Given the narrative arc of the rest of your post I won't be surprised if this time it turns out to be AK but having not 3! at first opportunity nor 4! pre we’re guessing a bit.
The benefit of being first 3! is that we get a clearer idea of his range and for a lot smaller price than our lead on what is, undoubtedly, a good flop for QQ+
I’ll post results. I ended up folding bc I felt villian has kk or AA here too often and not JJ.
He ended up having JJ and I made a bad fold. Looking back I feel he prolly goes over the all in with KK or AA so idk my fold might be terrible. Was gross and mentally killed me bc I would have had 920k-940k when average was 160k at 5k bb level lol and easily most chips in tourny at that stage.
I felt it would be a punt if I call with no equity against say KK. I never thought he had AK and had no history on player bc I just arrived to table. Looking back I wish I 3! Over the 3.2x raise to 16k.
I had 40bb after losing but just felt it would be a massive punt if I was wrong of so many BBs. Not sure how I’m supposed to proceed in hand. The spr was over 1 so maybe I just stack off in hand. Idk it was such an odd spot.
In the first hand, I am curious what are your plans and intentions by flatting with QQ? However, after you flat preflop, and considering the actions by your opponents, I think you should 5bet Jam with QQ preflop.
If you end up on the flop the way you did, I would rarely donk lead. What was your reason for donking 1/4 pot on the flop? Given that you did, I think you have to call off. Your hand is extremely under repped, and your 1/4 pot donk bet looks like a block bet. Your hand looks more like pocket 7s through 10s or maybe AK than QQ.
Being that the guy to your left flatted the 4bet jam pre, I might partially rule out him having AA or KK. Although, I think he is more likely to flat here with AA as opposed to KK. As played, I think KK 5bets pre.
As played, on the flop, I think that he has more combinations of hands that you beat, than combinations of hands that you lose to. When he closes the action preflop, he got really good price(better than 4 to 1) to call with 77 through JJ, and AKo, AQs, AJs, A5s, KQs, KJs, J10s, 109s, etc.. In addition, suits matter, if there are two hearts on the flop, and you have two black Queens, I would also be more likely to call off. I think you played this hand in a very strange way.
This is a solid post. Hmm idk why I donk let actually as I do it never. I considered the pot to be unique as we had another person that shoved pre.
Normally, I would auto check all flops in a spot where someone 3! Me in position. I considered this spot different and thought we don’t want to let AK or Ax hands realize equity per se by checking back if we check flop.
Only time tell here I had here was he auto jammed over my bet on flop. Looking back I feel people wouldn’t do this with aa or kk.
Guy looked kinda recreational and older so I don’t think he’s ever flatting kk or aa pre honestly. It was hard to say though bc I know I’m prolly flatting kk or aa preflop in spot bc pot is so bloated and so easy to get chips in middle with small flop and turn bet and jam on river etc. folks tend to not 3! A lot in tournies I play so I feel when mawgs or older do 3!, it’s normally capped as a super strong hand. Very mad with how hand played out but felt it would be a massive punt if I get chips in here and lose way behind on flop.
Looking back- said player is never just calling pre with aa or kk. Felt I should just make a crying call on flop and say oops bad luck if I lose and run into kk or aa.
