Live KK ITM spot
Live KK ITM spot

Live KK ITM spot

Live $300 entry $80k guarantee two-day tournament in day 2. Down to 38 players from about 400. There is some history between me and V (youngish Russian guy who seems very competent, especially compared to field). I've been involved in 3 significant hands with him with him taking 2 of 3.

In the first of these, V raised 2.2 bbs UTG as chip leader (probably more than 90 bbs). I had good stack at this time (around 40 bbs) and flatted from HJ with 99. CO was short stacked with 12 bbs and shoves. V flats. I am genuinely torn here between flatting, folding and jamming. I was about to jam, when I thought V's open/flat from UTG has too much AA/KK in it. So I flat. Flop comes QT3 (I think rainbow). V fires out 10 bbs into dry side pot. I fold and V turns over KK. Short stack had 88. Turn was 9 -- so I was working hard to not tilt.

Very next hand I open with KQs for 2 bbs, folded around to V on BB who fires in 6 bbs. I call. Flop is air -- 3 low cards, none of my suit. V fires out 6 bbs, I fold. V shows the AA after I said "you can't always have it".

V was then leveraging his stack and probably about 40% RFI when unopened to him. So next history hand a few orbits later, V opens from CO for 2.2 bbs, BU (~ 60 bbs) flats. I have 14 bbs and look at KTs from SB, and jam. V and BU fold.

OTTH

Now have built stack to around 24 bbs -- before posting blind and bb ante. V opens from HJ for 2.2 bbs. Folds to me in BB -- I see KcKd. Decided I want to keep V's wide range in and raise to 5 bbs. (Some have said I should go bigger here, but not sure I agree given my short stack?) V calls.

Flop (11.5 bbs): 9d3d6h. I fire 3 bbs, V calls. I am left now with 15 bbs.

Turn (17.5 bbs): Ad. I jam. V snaps with Td8d.

No diamond on river and we walk.

All thoughts are welcome.

30 June 2025 at 04:01 PM
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You'd want to make it larger preflop, like 7-7.5BBs, so that you could in theory have a few bluffs (like A6o that blocks his continuing range with a lower card that unblocks his folding range) in your range with fold equity so you're not just doing this tiny raise with AA/KK. But argument could be made that doesn't matter in a live $300 tourney where no one will properly adjust to your no-bluff range. The small size may actually also give him proper implied odds so he's not making a mistake against this size.

Postflop is mostly a cooler although turn may be a check, you likely have zero flushes in your range here. He's folding everything you beat, and maybe he'll make a dumb bluff with a worse hand.


I 3-bet jam preflop (with all hands I would raise with). Standard raise for me would be 8.8 bb's and that would be more than 33% effective stack.

The actual pre-flop raise size will get zero folds so we are playing a big pot OOP. With KK which is often good but if an A hits we have a problem. And an A hit on the turn.

I agree with billyjex that our turn jam has no flush credibility. But it does include hands like AK with nut flush draw. However all hands that are behind will fold and all hands that are ahead will call (even though we could have AA). I probably bet about 20% pot on turn (so another 3 bb's or 4 bb's). But we might get jammed on and we do have the flush draw. So if we check river or bet another 3 bb's we will probably get jammed on. We could fold because we are clearly behind but we would be short stacked (though not knocked out).


I'm pretty sure the turn jam was bad -- and I really need to work on short stack game. My think was I had set up a pot sized bet on turn with flop bet, and I was going to go with it, unless an A came off. I saw the A of diamonds and felt that I still had the redraw saw was going to go with it. My think is that I can still get calls from 9x with a diamond, and straight draws here, especially straight draws with a diamond given the SPR and V's giant stack.

As for the flop raise, I think if I go too much bigger, V realizes I'm pot committed and bails on too much of his range. V had been opening a lot and folding a lot against push back preflop. Maybe, I'm wrong because I am overestimating what is pot committing short stacked.


If he's raising 40% here I'd just call pre - will fold to the 3b too often. I don't mind the turn jam - he might hero call thinking you have a single diamond.


Regarding your preflop sizing, I don't think it's that bad. Yes you generally want to go bigger but the other factor is your effective stack size. You can't really go much bigger without effectively committing yourself. Maybe 6-6.5 bb would be slightly better? But you go any bigger than that and it's effectively a shove. I don't think it's bad to have a small raise size for ultra-premiums as well as a sliver of raise-folds built around blockers.

Regarding the turn, yeah I think the shove isn't great. IMO it's better to just check and basically never fold. You can pick off some additional bluffs this way. Turning the redraw you can't really get away, but there's no reason to jam and push out all the hands you beat. There's really not much to protect against. You're kind of way ahead of way behind. Just check-call.


I would cbet a little bigger, but otherwise it seems fine. Sure if you shoved or made it 7xBB preflop, villain probably folds.

Villain shove shove flop with combo draw.


by GreatWhiteFish m

Regarding your preflop sizing, I don't think it's that bad. Yes you generally want to go bigger but the other factor is your effective stack size. You can't really go much bigger without effectively committing yourself. Maybe 6-6.5 bb would be slightly better? But you go any bigger than that and it's effectively a shove. I don't think it's bad to have a small raise size for ult

I think you do need to go a little bigger than 5BB, otherwise your bluff-raises aren't ever getting folds. 6BB is probably fine.


Yeah, 6xBB is better, to represent you could have a bluff. You are deep enough that you don't have to push all 3!s. You want to have the option to 3!/fold some hands. KK should not be a push. You are much better off enticing a call and making him think he has FE with a push. It is possible your 3/call range should be just QQ+. With AK/JJ/TT, it can be difficult to play OOP if you 3! to 6xBB and get flat called.


  • What are you protecting against (nothing)?
  • What are you beating (some) vs what's beating you (a lot)?
  • How much air overall (a small amount) do you have in your range?

Clearly not a jam. Clearly never any jams in your range. Think hard about what your range is perceived to be--which parts at all want protection (none)?

Bet small 3 times and let him use that skill you perceive--if you're gonna stack off ever after turn, let him have bluffs.

This should look like bet small 3 times (get value from QQ, JJ, TT, K9, T9, 98, 8d8x, 7d7x), or:

  • fold river and lose to 6d6x sometimes;
  • fold river and lose to AA sometimes;
  • fold river and lose to a flush sometimes;
  • call river and win or lose sometimes

etc.

Never jamming turn

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