Playing the aces

Do you have Ace of spades? If you do, then V's ranges will have many fewer flush draws and you will be way ahead or way behind (vs flopped set or rare A2hh). (There may be some 56s still there too). But against mostly pp ranges BB should have, when you have A spades, I'd bet small on turn -- around 2, 500 and jam river.

If you don't have A spades, I bet big -- might shove to protect against spade draw, since that's now a significantly bigger part of V's range.

If Villain has a set or 2x we are going to lose it all no matter what.

As Bubblebust alluded to it matters if we have the A of spades because if we do we will be reducing the number of potential flush draws.

Because LJ limped in they basically aren't going to have over pairs to this board. If LJ has a pair or a 7 or 4 I would doubt they would call a jam. They might call another 2200 bet. But then we would be giving them a great price to call with flush and/or straight draw.

In general in these spots especially if we don't have the A spades I like to jam. Sometimes Villains will call even though they aren't getting the right price with a double draw because they want to double up or buy back in. But I doubt they will call with just a PP. And my guess is they will fold just a flush draw. But here because of the board they can have flush draws and gutters or pairs so they might just call a jam. The other benefit is that if they have a 7 and a flush draw they lost 3 outs because a 2nd pair won't change anything.

The other reason I prefer a jam to a value bet on the turn is because of the pot size. If we bet 50% again it would be 40% of the effective stack size which is basically pot committing for us. So if they hit their flush it will be hard to just fold to a bet that would be about 33% pot.

The other alternative is to check back the turn like we don't have a PP and then we can make like a pot sized river bet and they might call with a PP. But here I don't really like it because we would be giving Villain their draw for free and because any card J or higher on the river would make it look like we could have hit a pair so we wouldn't get paid off anyway.

In these spots I would try to get in the habit of really focusing on the ranges that various player types are limping. The hand can play way differently depending.

This is a board where it's probably technically correct to bet bigger on the flop or check, similarly to how you did. Exploitatively though I prefer a small bet against a lot of limper-types to induce weak floats/check raises. Try to get them to call once with stuff like 98s backdoor draw, and then they'll likely stack off if they turn top pair. You can still get all the money in easy enough over three streets. Yeah they'll suck out occasionally, but you've got aces and want to get max value.

As played the turn sizing is a little awkward, but at that point I would just overbet jam and hope to get called by overpairs and flush draws with overs. If they've got a set or a two then GG.

whether we have the As is important

4k turn / shove river

Sorry, should of mentioned I had no spade

Hero bets $4000, villain tanks almost to awkwardness then calls
Pot 16,500 - Hero 4600 left
River 2s7h4s2c(8s)
Villain Jams!
Hero?

I think we have to call on the river though we are probably losing to a flush. Pot odds are close to 5:1 because we bet 4000 (nearly half our stack) on the turn so Villain has to be bluffing only ~20% of the time.

This is why I jam the turn (and often lose to a guy who makes a bad call with a draw - but eventually I'll start winning pots where I am getting it all in with like 70% chance of winning).

Yeah I'm calling off once we get here this way, pot's too big and he doesn't have to be bluffing or mistakenly shoving worse for value that often

If he calls with a flush draw on the turn he's getting the wrong price, and this is early enough in the tournament I'm trying to maximize what I win on the hand rather than avoid a tough river decision

Agree with everyone you have to call ... and likely see the flush. Note that the 8s should lessen the chances V did catch the flush, as some of the hands V wants to continue after the big bet on the turn should have the 8 of spades, as that card is needed in many of the combo draws V could have (78s, 68s). If V is really bad, he might even have 56 here -- although 56ss should probably have played it faster.

To be clear, when I said "4k turn / shove river" I also meant to call off any river at that price if this happened.

So, I did call & villain did have the flush with A4s and poof I was on my way home. Losing sucks!

Wrote this wondering if jamming the turn would have been enough to get villain to fold his draw. Or maybe I could have been more aggressive earlier - maybe bet pot on the flop. Or maybe I should be betting smaller and looking for pot control the entire way. Do you think another option would have been better?

Perfect scenario, aces on the button. My hopes were high, but maybe there was no way out of the trap. I would really like to avoid this in the future, but I don’t think I know how.

4s is on the board, so there's an error somewhere.

Yes, jamming would have been more effective at getting a fold from flush draws, but your goal shouldn't be to get folds from hands with 18% equity. (Or worse - if villain is calling with a pocket pair or 7x, you certainly don't want to push him into folding it on the turn.)

If your goal is "not busting the tournament," then you should jam the turn, but it's the second level and your goal should be maximizing your EV.

You’re right…

Must of been 2s7s4h on the flop
I was kinda shook after this hand, not mad, but I was feeling confident going in & this was a disaster. Been trying to avoid mistakes with my posts on here (it’s a tough crowd), but old memory & tournament exasperation set in I guess.

Didn’t jam because I thought my 2pair was good and was after value. Not sure villain would have folded to a turn jam anyway.

Sometimes there’s nothing you can do.

You could maybe go a little bigger on the turn without the As but I think that's probably just splitting hairs. I didn't run the spot in a solver or anything so I don't know what it would say here-- although solvers don't usually handle multi-way spots, so I'm not even sure if I could from where this hand started.