Sb vs bb spot- is this spazz?
Hey all- got a super goofy hand from a $300-50k gtn tourny live. Structure is super quick- 25 min levels and top 12.5% cash. We way way far from money so trying to get some chips.
Hand- im in BB with 10-6o. Maybe 30k in my stack near starting- we at 400-800 level with 800 bb. Folds around to sb who completes. I make it 3200 and he calls. He’s an older white guy- super rec you can tell is just kinda weak nit- he’s open limping/ call limps behind with no aggression.
I know very spazzy but I like to raise some weaker portion of our range and know I’ll continue on flop and turn so think it’s ok once in a while. In all honesty, it’s stupid in such a weak field to take this spot. Should bump back and play straight up and fold to a bet on flop bc it’s high variance and doesn’t accomplish much. Hand isn’t suited so hard to barrel.
Flop KJ5. He check, I bet 2.5k into 7200. He calls. Turn is a 4. He check and I bet 6k after tanking and thinking about what sizing to go bc I lost count of pot size. So bet 6k into 12.2k. He calls. River blank. He leads for a big size and I lol snap
Fold. I was going to check back flop bc I felt
It’s never getting a fold from villian- I kinda lol at his donk lead on river bc he should just let me spazz out some % of the time. Allows me to play perfect when he leads river unless it’s a cooler situation.
Is this terrible spot? My assumption- I get lold at here and told why take high variance spot when we are in a super soft tourny.
Tourny was a super gold mine of softness. Folks are open limping at an insane rate. A lot of limps and limp behinds. See some folks opening 4x and 6x lol. Like maybe 1-2 solid players at table and rest are older nits/ weakish passive players.
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The only time I have ever seen this type of raise is on the Triton Tournaments I have been watching the last few months. It is only happening at final tables where FE is astronomical because of ICM addictions. Some of the BB raises after SB limps were actually with worse hands like 84o, 73o, 83s, etc.
Here if I were doing this (and I am never ever doing this) I like the preflop sizing. On the flop I would make it 4000 because the flop smashed our range. I would always check back the turn unless our supposed range improved with like an A/Q/9 (even K or J sometimes) and I would expect a river bet if we checked which I would fold to. But if SB didn't lead out the river after a turn checked through, it is an interesting spot because there are a number of draws they could have that missed. Also, you didn't mention whether the flop was a rainbow or not (I assume it wasn't all the same suit). This is important because it would be another reason why SB would call a flop bet. And another reason why a river bluff could get a fold.
I don't like doing this because if we don't take it down preflop we are at risk of a SB limp with a decent hand. So sometimes guys with biggish hands just limp because they don't want to play biggish pots OOP (I am one of those people). I also prefer to lose the minimum with baddish hands.
T6o is too strong to bluff-raise pre.
lol, he is passive and hardly ever 3-betting.
Problem is passive player is probably limp/calling or limp/folding his whole range. He probably had a good hand which hit the KJ board.
Oh yea I assume Kx or some sorta straight by the river. Not sure what exact board was but guess like KJ8 on flop. Def was KJx with like two of same suit.
Maybe flush or straight by river that was nuts or close to it.
This spot still irks me- feel it’s kinda punty line for me to take in a soft field that is super passive.
Maybe the preflop raise and flop bet are ok at a small freq but betting turn also seems kinda spazzy I guess. Maybe I’m just being results orientated though- I do feel like villian in hand is def overfolding to flop+turn bet- like 2nd pair is prolly folded- my image at table is prolly youngish aggro kid by appearance but I played fairly snug and standard early on in the day due to a lack of hands to open/ call preflop raises with.
Yeh against these types I would raise 100% in position - the flop bet is clear without a doubt but the turn gets trickier. OTT what is his range? Kx, Jx, some 5x suited?, QT, etc? I think on the turn we have a clear bet if we assume he folds everything but Kx+ - if he's sticky and will call all Jx/5x then maybe we check back. Just comes down to your average player in these pools - if people station a lot avoid multi street bluffs, value bet lighter. If people overfold bluff more, don't value bet as light. Those are the strats.
