How Do You Usually Play This Common Omaha Situation?
Four players are in for 15 preflop. Flop is Qs Ts 7d. All check. Turn is 6c. Big blind bets 60. Others fold. You have 190 in front of you and have made the ten high straight with no redraws. Bettor is routine player. Do you usually move in or just call? If you call and the river could make a full house or a higher straight or a flush, do you usually call if she bets 130? If she checks do you usually bet 130 to try to bluff out a tie?
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So 8 cards known and 44 unknown so if we are ahead the question becomes do they have enough outs. Of course the more critical question is do we know enough about V to accurately estimate the odds we are currently ahead or are we giving them a freeroll vs our stack. There are players I would fold this every time as at least 30% chance we are being freerolled to win $30. There are others where I know they like to bluff that I would pot back as they will bet an over pair with flush draw so only 9 outs. If I know nothing about V in the games I play would fold as too high a chance we are getting freerolled. This might be location dependent. A spazzy game would likely require you to pot back here.
I think I would be all in on the turn nearly 100% of the time even w/o redraws
perhaps i should consider the options too
Four players are in for 15 preflop. Flop is Qs Ts 7d. All check. Turn is 6c. Big blind bets 60. Others fold. You have 190 in front of you and have made the ten high straight with no redraws. Bettor is routine player. Do you usually move in or just call? If you call and the river could make a full house or a higher straight or a flush, do you usually call if she bets 130? If she checks do you usually bet 130 to try to bluff out a tie?
Here you are playing very short stacked (in the games I play we are usually much deeper (e.g., $5 big blind with a median stack of $1200 or so).
Playing short stacked like this I would usually get it in on the turn. In my experience a typical player will only have the current nuts on the turn in this type of spot (especially after the flop gets checked through) a little more than half the time. The other times it will be a weaker made hand (maybe queens up or a turn set spike) or a fairly big draw that was chicken to bet the flop. If your typical player will only bet the nuts on the turn with possible redraws I'd call the turn bet and fold to a scary river (if opponent bets) and bet if a scary card comes and they check.
To raise deep stacked on the turn with a very vulnerable made hand with no redraws is asking for trouble. So playing much deeper I like the call with the idea of betting a scary card (board pair, flush card or bigger straight) if checked to on the river. I'd fold the river to a scary card accompanied by a big bet.
PS I liked your new small stakes holdem book and think it has a lot to add for the smaller games. Please don't write one for Omaha as I'd hate to see any more advice for the loose low stakes PLO games. Even the better players make bad plays based on advice that probably only works for the tougher tighter games.
Four players are in for 15 preflop. Flop is Qs Ts 7d. All check. Turn is 6c. Big blind bets 60. Others fold. You have 190 in front of you and have made the ten high straight with no redraws. Bettor is routine player. Do you usually move in or just call? If you call and the river could make a full house or a higher straight or a flush, do you usually call if she bets 130? If she checks do you usually bet 130 to try to bluff out a tie?
I like to call turn but think it entirely depends what the side cards/suits are for all your questions. Against the average joshmo I’m usually folding river on flush/board pairing rivers
Being short, I probably just gii now. Make her make a decision. I'll take the pot now if I can. If she hits on the river or has us dominated, so be it. Seems she would have bet flop w/ a hand that dominates us on this turn.
If I just call and board pairs or flush comes, I fold to a bet or check behind.
Assuming we call the turn, hu and the board texture changes and villain bets 130, I would usually fold. I would probably not try to bluff to steal the chop, because I'm not that sure they have 89 in the first place.
Allin on the turn as there is little value just checking and allow a scare card to fold us out of a hand when we're short. Full stacked this is a call.
If we decide to just call and get checked too I'm checking a higher straight and pushing on flushes or paired boards.
If we get bet into on the river where our hand is no longer the nuts we're folding. There is little value in a call as we don't often get bet into with hands that we beat or tie.
Its all opponent dependent though.
180 in pot with 130 behind holding the nuts seems pretty GII. Yes, we offer almost 2.5 to 1 and they most likely are calling off. (Why would they Donk b/f on this Board?)
Any card 6 or up can put us in the losers column. Are we really going to fold to all those cards when facing aggression? Tell me which ones you would fold to and which ones you call against?
At least we put our money in holding the (current) nuts, whether it's to chop or not .. GL
Depending obviously on villain image but also on my side cards. if I have some blocker (any AQT7 or a spade), I call the turn, and call or bluff the river only if I still have a blocker to the nut (eg. I have an A, and the river is K or a J)
