Good spot for a river donk shove?
Flop seems straightforward, but what about turn?
SB: $15.59 (155.9 bb)
Hero (BB): $11.18 (111.8 bb)
SB posts $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10
Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 9♣ 8♦ T♦ J♠
SB raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.20
Flop: ($0.60, 2 players) 8♠ 4♥ Q♠
Hero checks, SB bets $0.45, Hero calls $0.45
Turn: ($1.50, 2 players) A♣
Hero checks, SB bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50
River: ($4.50, 2 players) Q♦
Hero bets $4.50
18 Replies
Can fold turn imho, and no donking this river is fail.
I’m not folding turn in a heads up game. River he’s not gonna fold very often. Probably get heroed by an ace.
don't think we can donk river he's repping all the AA/AQ/QQ
wtf is the river play? One of the dumbest lines I've ever seen
Think you played this way too passively pre and flop - would 3bet this especially HU. OTR - villain has all the nut hands, we do not. We block JT9ish hands - I don't think potting the river serves a purpose as you're just trying to get missed draws to fold, so half potting accomplishes the same thing with not having to win as much. The problem is you're repping a FH which you can't really have at this point, and he has all the FH's/Ax. Not a fan of your line
Think you played this way too passively pre and flop - would 3bet this especially HU. OTR - villain has all the nut hands, we do not. We block JT9ish hands - I don't think potting the river serves a purpose as you're just trying to get missed draws to fold, so half potting accomplishes the same thing with not having to win as much. The problem is you're repping a FH which you
Thanks for your response. 3betting seems too loose preflop because we are only single suited and otf we don't have a backdoor flushdraw
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I think the hand is well played until river and then it's just a train wreck. You are representing nothing, should have zero bets with this line.
I think the hand is well played until river and then it's just a train wreck. You are representing nothing, should have zero bets with this line.
A flop x/r with a set doesn't seem great imo because we hate so many turns. Same with ott.
River is still bad because villain has all the good boats, no argument there.
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A flop x/r with a set doesn't seem great imo because we hate so many turns. Same with ott.
River is still bad because villain has all the good boats, no argument there.
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I would be raising most sets on the flop, because you get a lot of value. I would be raising nearly all sets on the turn, because he is likely to barrel on an ace. Also, in HU you just can't be scared of every straightening card out there so it's IMO a very bad reason to not raise.
But Hero doesn't have a set. Hero has a decent draw and should treat it as such. With this line Hero still has some boats but leading them is just ridiculous IMO.
3bet pre - hu vs far wider rfi range our rundown is doing very well even ss. Making like .06EV by 3betting as well.
Flop check raise. Often w/ wraps w/o a flush blocker or bdfd we want to take a more passive line but hu when we block a significant pair (Q/8 in this case) with wrap we're doing great in terms of both eq share and still have decent playability/robust eq.
Turn (as played): Close but think we're just about getting price. Need 33% and ran a few combos getting very close to that.
River: Would strongly check give up. We massively lack polarity and eq on this river as well as massively block villains snap folds.
I would be raising most sets on the flop, because you get a lot of value. I would be raising nearly all sets on the turn, because he is likely to barrel on an ace. Also, in HU you just can't be scared of every straightening card out there so it's IMO a very bad reason to not raise.But Hero doesn't have a set. Hero has a decent draw and should treat it as such. With this line He
Right, makes sense that HU we need to play wider.
Sounds like you are going to x/r this flop even in a 6 max/full ring game. Would be curious to hear more ppls thoughts on this because at least in the Upswing course I went through the coach was stressing how many turn cards suck for us when considering whether or not to x/r.
Appreciate you taking the time to help me through this one.
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3bet pre - hu vs far wider rfi range our rundown is doing very well even ss. Making like .06EV by 3betting as well. Flop check raise. Often w/ wraps w/o a flush blocker or bdfd we want to take a more passive line but hu when we block a significant pair (Q/8 in this case) with wrap we're doing great in terms of both eq share and still have decent playability/robust eq. Turn (a
Thank you for your reply, makes sense. Not sure what went through my head otr especially after villain's flop and turn line.
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3bet pre - hu vs far wider rfi range our rundown is doing very well even ss. Making like .06EV by 3betting as well. Flop check raise. Often w/ wraps w/o a flush blocker or bdfd we want to take a more passive line but hu when we block a significant pair (Q/8 in this case) with wrap we're doing great in terms of both eq share and still have decent playability/robust eq. Turn (a
This is a great post.
When watching content on upswing/training sites bear in mind that those rules of the thumb tend to be geared towards 6max play. HU is just going to play much wider and more aggro leading to a lot more merged ranges than what you would initially expect.
If you’re serious about learning get a sub to plotrainer from jnandez or runitonce (visions). Allows you to do solver analysis on most common spots both hu/6mX
While 3betting this pre is slightly profitable from a raw equity standpoint, more importantly you're building a pot for villain to play OOP and you have a very easy hand to play IP where he can make big mistakes. I would venture to say you should be 3bing fairly wide IP against a wide opening range - raw equity alone is part of the equation but future value that isn't shown in a solver is what really matters.
Hero is OOP (duh)
Horrible turn/river card, absolutely cant bluff the river. Best play would be to raise flop and barrel most turns. (Not this one)
This is a great post.When watching content on upswing/training sites bear in mind that those rules of the thumb tend to be geared towards 6max play. HU is just going to play much wider and more aggro leading to a lot more merged ranges than what you would initially expect.If you’re serious about learning get a sub to plotrainer from jnandez or runitonce (visions). Allows
Definitely, 100% agreed. My goal is to beat the soft home games I already play in (1/3 and 2/5 NL, but the PLO games are only 1/3 and run on different days).
Feel like in those games we just play ABC and print
A good way to put this river in context is to think about range advantage. You've just called three times, he's bet 3 times on a board where you're going to have lots of draws, so he has a big range advantage here. Thus there are not many hands you should be betting at all. Consider checking range on this river.
