after specializing in Omaha I find NLHE revolting
does anyone else feel this way? why is 2card so popular? is it because people are dumb?
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I've played 4-card games for around 20 years professionally. I think the 2-card game is an excellent form of poker, especially live. It has a lot of poker element, unlike say the 5-card game that people are very much into for reasons I cannot really comprehend.
What is the 5card game you reefer to? 5 card omaha or 5 card draw?
5 card omaha and the variations of it. Didn't know 5 card draw could be in vogue somewhere.
been playing a lot of 6 card omaha recently and running very hot... To me the appeal is the same as Omaha-4 vs. NLHE. It's easier to make hands and find spots to exploit your opponents, where NLHE relative to Omaha 4 and Omaha 4 relative to Omaha 6 seem to rely more on patience, relatively.
Ur just a fish at holdem. Thats all.
been playing a lot of 6 card omaha recently and running very hot... To me the appeal is the same as Omaha-4 vs. NLHE. It's easier to make hands and find spots to exploit your opponents, where NLHE relative to Omaha 4 and Omaha 4 relative to Omaha 6 seem to rely more on patience, relatively.
If I'm reading this correctly I don't agree. Actually I think it's the exact opposite. The more cards you have, the more often someone makes the nuts thus the more the game is simply about patience. Wait for the nuts, as someone has them. Interesting poker situations occur when people rarely have the best possible hand.
If I'm reading this correctly I don't agree. Actually I think it's the exact opposite. The more cards you have, the more often someone makes the nuts thus the more the game is simply about patience. Wait for the nuts, as someone has them. Interesting poker situations occur when people rarely have th
Starting hand equities run closer in Omaha than in holdem (and closer still in O6), which makes it correct to player more hands. In holdem, there's not many hands worth playing if a tight, reasonable opponent opens UTG. In Omaha, even if you know that he's opening with AAxx, there's a lot of hands that have 35-45% equity against that hand and are easily worth a call, especially with position. Now, lots of weak players take this concept too far and play too many hands, but it is generally correct to have a higher VPIP (and thus, not need as much patience) compared to holdem.
So let's say players (say 6-handed) play 40% of hands (correctly or incorrectly) and they are holding 6 cards. What does the post-flop play look like? And now you have arrived to the point of my earlier post.
If I'm reading this correctly I don't agree. Actually I think it's the exact opposite. The more cards you have, the more often someone makes the nuts thus the more the game is simply about patience. Wait for the nuts, as someone has them. Interesting poker situations occur when people rarely have th
To me it seems very hard to exploit fish that call too much in a game where most of the players have air all the time. That's probably why I'm not so good at NLHE. In Omaha I can VPIP higher when there are fish around and get into many different spots with them. In NLHE I have J4 and Q8o all the time...
Consider the possibility that BigBananas has a very good point.
He probably does. Still I feel nauseous when I see all the streamers get it in with A9o vs 66 for the bajillionth time. Objectively no one ever has anything in NLHE.
It's like playing 6 tables vs. a fish compared to one tabling vs. same fish. You just have more opportunities to hand over hand them in omaha vs holdem. Because the absolute hand strengths are higher on avg than in holdem, there are more opportunities to stack the fish.
That's the revolting part. Just waiting around for premiums all the time, never flopping anything. Why is that interesting/ /
Really the ultimate game is HUNL Holdem - Omaha is great and all but with 4/5/6 cards it's much easier to make strong/nut hands than in Hold Em. HUNL is pure - rarely does anyone have better than a pair so it's a battle of who's better.
You agreed in the other thread that fish bust faster in Omaha. I think this is (one of) the reason(s). It's pretty hard to have stacks flying in high card vs. high card, not so much when it's top set vs. nfd or house over house. It's easier to overestimate your hand strength and relative hand strength is harder0 to master in omaha I think. Why do you think fish bust faster in omaha vs. nlhe?
They're different games and the limited amount of starting hands means that high level NL is way beyond high level PLO post-flop.
Also I don't buy that donks bust that much faster if they have any game. Pre flop mistakes in NL are deadly whereas in PLO the donks actually have a chance.
Yes I would say NLHE is the perfect game against weaker players. You have so many ways to outsmart them, technical mistakes pre-flop get more or less auto-punished and so on.
Yes I would say NLHE is the perfect game against weaker players. You have so many ways to outsmart them, technical mistakes pre-flop get more or less auto-punished and so on.
I would say that is not outsmarting them, rather just being a better trained player. It kind of proves my point that pre-flop mistakes get auto-punished. It leaves a lot less room for creativity.
I would say that is not outsmarting them, rather just being a better trained player. It kind of proves my point that pre-flop mistakes get auto-punished. It leaves a lot less room for creativity.
Against much weaker players, yes. It's ridiculous how fast the pre mistakes get punished especially with 6+ players and it can be tedious to wait hands to play.
Against stronger players I would argue that it allows more creativity since pre edges really don't exist and you can calculate your opponent's range to that point with actual card combos. You can use the opponent's range, post flop leaks and holes in it for a lot of new options. Wrong bet sizing somewhere, the lack of nuts elsewhere and you can a do a lot of really stupid stuff with basically air.
I would say that is not outsmarting them, rather just being a better trained player. It kind of proves my point that pre-flop mistakes get auto-punished. It leaves a lot less room for creativity.
I don't understand what you say really. How is it possible that in a game where someone nearly always has the nuts you can somehow be creative and "exploit"? Consider the possibility that you are either a) playing total droolers who don't recognize the nuts or b) have been running insanely well. Or both.
Do you want a game where the better trained player doesn't win? I'm sorry but it does not exist, unless you completely eliminate skill. Then it's only variance, perceived creativity and perceived exploitation.
